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GPU-Z is made by TechPowerUp not CPUID.
My mistake.

Anyway:

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Srivathsa: I apologize, but here we do not have idea if this is a laser cut or a BIOS feature to unlock the 8 th cluster. So, we will be referring to NVIDIA chipset engineers by escalating to level 2 technicians.
Srivathsa: They will contact engineers and get the needed information
Srivathsa: Then they would provide you the info by email.
Srivathsa: **********@hotmail.com
Time will tell.
post #202 of 331
Here's how we solve this:

OP, go grab one of the BIOS's that has already been linked to you, as that is what you were originally asking for anyways.

Go flash your card, then come back here and report. Quit talking about it and go and do it. Good luck.
 
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AND MANY OTHER REVISIONS, its not the same chip, it may look the same but who cares, ITS NOT THE SAME CHIP. THE GF104 MAY HAVE 1 CLUSTER UNLOCKED, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IS THE ONLY DIFFERCE YOU SEEM TO GET. You think nvidia was going to just enable 1 core and sell it? OMG, you fool. Have fun in trying pointless things, if it was possible, IT WOULDVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
And nvidia even said that the ONLY difference between g90 and 92 was a shrinking the die, NOTHING ELSE CHANGED.
While I do agree that flashing 560 BIOS onto a 460 should not be done, I'm actually here to point out the fallacy in your logic.

Think back to your other example of the 8800GT to the 9800GT. That is proof that Nvidia would, in fact, do something as low as rebranding and selling. You asked (above) "You think nvidia was going to just enable 1 core and sell it?" Well... yes, I think they would because they have done it already. In fact, in the case of the 8800GT to the 9800GT, they didn't even enable 1 core! It's the exact same chip!! (Say wha?!)

Now, I'm not saying that they've done it in this particular case (GTX460 vs GTX560). All I'm saying is that I wouldn't put it past them.
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post #204 of 331
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Here's how we solve this:

OP, go grab one of the BIOS's that has already been linked to you, as that is what you were originally asking for anyways.

Go flash your card, then come back here and report. Quit talking about it and go and do it. Good luck.
Thank you!

He's asking for an MSI Hawk BIOS, but all that is, is the Vendor ID and a cooler. That's it. You can change the Vendor ID with software.
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post #205 of 331
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While I do agree that flashing 560 BIOS onto a 460 should not be done, I'm actually here to point out the fallacy in your logic.

Think back to your other example of the 8800GT to the 9800GT. That is proof that Nvidia would, in fact, do something as low as rebranding and selling. You asked (above) "You think nvidia was going to just enable 1 core and sell it?" Well... yes, I think they would because they have done it already. In fact, in the case of the 8800GT to the 9800GT, they didn't even enable 1 core! It's the exact same chip!! (Say wha?!)

Now, I'm not saying that they've done it in this particular case (GTX460 vs GTX560). I'm saying that I wouldn't put it past them.
I agree to an EXTENT on your point there. Yes, they have done it in the past. But the thing to remember here, is that the OP isn't the only idiot in the world that likes to tinker. I'm definitely not saying this is a bad thing. This is how we find out about these sort of unlocks...idiots tinkering around.

The thing is though, if this was possible, we would have found out about it shortly after release of the GTX460. As we have with every other unlock, its ALWAYS been found out shortly after release of the product.
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post #206 of 331
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people are saying that nvidia has never had GPUs that can unlock cores, 465-> 470 anyone?

will be flashing a 560 bios to mine once I unlock voltage control to 1.212 like my current BIOS

it was always known that the 460 was based off of a 384 shader die, so I don't see why it is so farfetched to be able to use those cores that we know are there, and we know nvidia didnt laser cut (because laser cutting is a myth in the entire industry, not just nvidia, ati, amd)
If you read about the history of GTX465, you would understand why it was unlockable. Companies had a bunch of GTX470 that failed validation for whatever reason (probably heat/power). NVIDIA gave them the go ahead to software lock and ship out the cards as the GTX465. The GTX465 uses the same GF100 die and came into existence AFTER the planned roll out of the GTX470/480.

Laser cutting is not a myth.

For those trying to use the 8800GT -> 9800GT comparison, it does not apply here. They both used the G92.... and later G92b.

NVIDIA is not using a GF104 and GF104b. It is the GF114.



This entire argument sent forth by the OP is equivalent to "Can a freezer cool my PC?" We already know the answer... but if you want to disregard common knowledge and want to do it, go ahead.
Edited by DuckieHo - 1/27/11 at 9:59am
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post #207 of 331
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I agree to an EXTENT on your point there. Yes, they have done it in the past. But the thing to remember here, is that the OP isn't the only idiot in the world that likes to tinker. I'm definitely not saying this is a bad thing. This is how we find out about these sort of unlocks...idiots tinkering around.

The thing is though, if this was possible, we would have found out about it shortly after release of the GTX460. As we have with every other unlock, its ALWAYS been found out shortly after release of the product.
While I agree to a point with your arguments, it would be nice if you would stop calling us idiots. We both have our reasons as to why it would or would not work. What we both need is some solid evidence, which I'm going after.

I'm going to wait until I get a response from nvidia or a manufacturer before attempting to flash my only GPU with a 560 BIOS. Is that a fair argument?
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Exactly my point. Still waiting for more results.



How do you know it has been laser cut? Have you seen it action? No one here is 100% certain or has concrete proof. It's more cost effective to produce the same GPU with a different codename on it and lock down a shader cluster on one by another way (GF104) and the full GPU on another (GF114)

As everyone has said before, everything at this point is speculation.
I agree somewhat that it's speculation. And I think it's inaccurate to say the extra cluster is not there on gf104. It's certainly THERE, but it's (I believe) the connection to it that is cut.

It's very clear that the extra two SM's on the 470 were cut, not just disabled, because people tried flashing 470's to 480's many times, and it doesn't work to unlock an SM.

Personally I think that if the last SM on GF104 was only locked down via firmware, there's people out there smart enough to figure out how to mod the GTX460 bios to unlock the SM if it could be done. Just look at a 465 bios vs. a 470 bios in a hex editor, figure out how the 'locking' was done there, and translate this change to the 460 bios, basically.

So, my take is that if could be done, someone would've done it already, and we'd all know about it by now.
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If you read about the history of GTX465, you would understand why it was unlockable. Companies had a bunch of GTX470 that failed validation for whatever reason (probably heat/power). NVIDIA gave them the go ahead to software lock and ship out the cards as the GTX465. The GTX465 uses the same GF100 die and came into existence AFTER the planned roll out of the GTX470/480.

Laser cutting is not a myth.

For those trying to use the 8800GT -> 9800GT comparison, it does not apply here. They both used the G92.... and later G92b.

NVIDIA is not using a GF104 and GF104b. It is the GF114.



This entire argument sent forth by the OP is equivalent to "Can a freezer cool my PC?" We already know the answer... but if you want to disregard common knowledge and want to do it, go ahead.
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i want the 560 hawk bios
You're gonna have to wait a while then, they only just released the bottom range version with the TwinFrozr II (The TwinFrozr II is apparently the minimum cooler they can put on the 560's for performance reasons), the HAWK won't be released for a month or more.

Other than the voltage support via software, all the HAWK BIOS will do fundamentally, is change the Voltage Range, 2D and 3D clocks.
You could easily use the MSI 560Ti Twin Frozr II BIOS on your card, what'll happen however, only you can tell us.

This has been tried with the 460 SE and normal 460 BIOS' too, feel free to go ahead, I won't stop you, but as it's been said, if it were able, I'm sure it'd have been done already by those many crazy people out there whom also have idea's.
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