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Originally Posted by appleg33k85 View Post
I know in my experience with my unlocked 465's they needed a higher voltage than stock to run at normal speeds, and don't overclock greatly. I think they are probably failed 470's (or failed memory modules as the memory won't o/c for anything!), but I've heard of people with decent overclocks on unlocked ones as well
Well, I know that I've personally owned 5 470's (3 'real', and the current two unlocked 465's), and there's been no significant difference between the 5 in terms of what VID they had stock, or what their max OC was, or what voltages they needed to hit specific clocks. The memory has clocked for crap on all 5, none of them did over 920, and my current two will do 905 in SLI.

I know it's natural to think that 465's have to be compromised in some way, otherwise why would they be sold as 465's ... but I just personally haven't seen real compelling evidence to convince me that this is truly the case. At the very least, I know it's not universally true that all 'real' 470's are better than all 'unlocked' 465's.

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I am speculating as well. I am playing Devil's Advocate and pointing out weaknesses in the hypothesis.

To further add, Asus provided an unlock tool as well. Why would they do that?

Also, if the GTX465 was forced by NVIDIA... then why did partners choose to have so many? If I was forced to sell perfectly good cards that are disabled and at lower prices, I would ship out as few of these as possible.
Oh, I don't really know enough about the ins and outs of the business to suggest that nV forced their partners to do anything. I really don't know. I just think that nV and partners felt a sudden strong need to get out a lower-end Fermi to compete w/5770 and 5830, I'm *guessing* it was because GF104 was behind schedule.

So, I was speaking specifically to what I think was going on at the time when they first came out w/the 465. And at first, there weren't many partners making them if memory serves. At first there was PNY, PoV, and they were both putting out 470's flashed to 465's. Then soon there was Asus, who I think were using 275-rev cores, but didn't put on the extra mem chips.

As far as what's happened over time is that I think that there was an over-production GF100 cores vs demand, probably due to the success of gf104. And I think that the partners probably have some sort of existing contract w/nV not to sell various cards below certain prices, so in order to get the glut of GF100's actually sold before they become worth less than they cost, a number of them have jumped on the 465 bandwagon as they're allowed by nV to sell them significantly cheaper than real 470's.

Look at evga for example ... for the first few months, every 465 that anyone got was a 030-rev cores (not unlockable), now all of a sudden people are getting 275-rev cores on the 465's they buy.

At this point, I think it's about the pricing contracts, and getting rid of the glut of GF100 chips. The vendors don't care in this circumstance about the unlocking capability, in fact it's good for them to subtly promote it.

ANYways ... I'd not be surprised if some 465's from some vendors aren't binned as 'not the greatest 275-rev cores', but my point is that I'm positive that they are not universally worse than all 'real' 470's.
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Well, I know that I've personally owned 5 470's (3 'real', and the current two unlocked 465's), and there's been no significant difference between the 5 in terms of what VID they had stock, or what their max OC was, or what voltages they needed to hit specific clocks. The memory has clocked for crap on all 5, none of them did over 920, and my current two will do 905 in SLI.

I know it's natural to think that 465's have to be compromised in some way, otherwise why would they be sold as 465's ... but I just personally haven't seen real compelling evidence to convince me that this is truly the case. At the very least, I know it's not universally true that all 'real' 470's are better than all 'unlocked' 465's.



Oh, I don't really know enough about the ins and outs of the business to suggest that nV forced their partners to do anything. I really don't know. I just think that nV and partners felt a sudden strong need to get out a lower-end Fermi to compete w/5770 and 5830, I'm *guessing* it was because GF104 was behind schedule.

So, I was speaking specifically to what I think was going on at the time when they first came out w/the 465. And at first, there weren't many partners making them if memory serves.

As far as what's happened over time is that I think that there was an over-production GF100 cores vs demand, probably due to the success of gf104. And I think that the partners probably have some sort of existing contract w/nV not to sell various cards below certain prices, so in order to get the glut of GF100's actually sold before they become worth less than they cost, a number of them have jumped on the 465 bandwagon as they're allowed by nV to sell them significantly cheaper than real 470's.

Look at evga for example ... for the first few months, every 465 that anyone got was a 030-rev cores (not unlockable), now all of a sudden people are getting 275-rev cores on the 465's they buy.

At this point, I think it's about the pricing contracts, and getting rid of the glut of GF100 chips quick.

ANYways ... I'd not be surprised if some 465's from some vendors aren't binned as 'not the greatest 275-rev cores', but my point is that I'm positive that they are not universally worse than all 'real' 470's.
My theory is that like the X3's which are locked down X4's for various reasons, they put in some regular X4's to keep up supply, so some 465's are great 470 chips, but most were probably not so great 470's. In my personal speculation, I feel that the 470's might not have been selling that great because of the price bracket, so they had an over abundance of 470 chips that they locked down (you might as well sell them some way or another), but took the worst of the batch?

I feel like some companies such as MSI with the Golden Editions may have taken some excellent chips because it was a top end card, but companies like PNY (both of mine) took the lower ones? Just merely speculation on my part
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My theory is that like the X3's which are locked down X4's for various reasons, they put in some regular X4's to keep up supply, so some 465's are great 470 chips, but most were probably not so great 470's. In my personal speculation, I feel that the 470's might not have been selling that great because of the price bracket, so they had an over abundance of 470 chips that they locked down (you might as well sell them some way or another), but took the worst of the batch?

I feel like some companies such as MSI with the Golden Editions may have taken some excellent chips because it was a top end card, but companies like PNY (both of mine) took the lower ones? Just merely speculation on my part
A few (more) thoughts ... can you tell I've thought about this a lot?

First off, I would guess that accurate 'binning' of the OC'ing ability of individual cards would be a relatively expensive process, and thus I don't personally believe a lot of it goes on.

Also, considering that the vast majority of cards that physically 'could' unlock (i.e. have a 275-rev core) did successfully unlock, and that from all I've seen have run fine on stock clocks on VID's in the normal range for 470's, I'm not sure that the partners would have really cared enough to bin out which cards could not do 800c at 1.025V (just pulling out some good OC'ing numbers here) and making them into 465's. We overclockers are in the minority of total people who buy gfx cards, after all.

And in the scenario where there is an overproduction of 448-core GF100 chips (which I believe happened), I'm not sure I see a clear business incentive for partners to spend the money to 'bin' the crappier OC'ing chips to become 465's.

Seems to me that to the partner, all the chips they have cost them the same amount to procure, so in a sense, the chips (or whole cards) they've got are kinda all the same to them.

I just think it's all a numbers game, looking at inventories, sales numbers, forecasts, upcoming products, what the competition is doing, etc.

AFA the GE goes, consider this scenario:

Back in like June, some honcho at MSI said 'Okay, look guys, we have these 10,000 448-core GF100's that we ordered two months ago, but our forecasts now say we'll never sell them all as 470's because of the economy + the 5xx-series is coming out soon. Our contract w/nV won't let us market them at <$299 (just making up a number here, I'd imagine such contracts have a provision where the $ amount goes down over time so it's less now), so let's lock down 5,000 into 465's, put nice coolers on them, and sell them at $259, that way we'll be able to get rid of them before they become worth even less than $259'.

At that point, it really doesn't matter that they sort out 'teh best chips' and turn them into 470's, it's just an expense to do so, with really no upside to them. They're not trying to build a long-term market position based on the awesome OC'ing ability of the MSi GTX470 ... because the 470 is 'going away'. In fact, it's been going away since the day it came out.

Now, this all being said, I'd not be surprised if, in the early days of PoV and PNY 465's, they didn't go ahead and look at the stock VID's and use the higher VID cards to turn into 465's, because that number is set by the factory and is probably cheap and easy to discern. But nowadays, I think there's just a huge race against the clock to get rid of the 448-core GF100's, and the vendors probably aren't even bothering w/that anymore, cause it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of $$$.
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u guys need to try to flash the gtx570 to gtx580 this sound more possible because both use the same gf110 , no like gtx460 (gf104) and gtx 560ti (gf114) that u try to unlock
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well geez flashing a 460 to 560, dam you know what i ma buy a 260 and flash it to a 560 that should be a great value^^
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I DID IT!

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Most partner sold 465's and why didn't NVIDIA just lower price then?

Also, do you have enough of sample to make the claim on population of the cards?




It was the 6-series.


Laser cutting is nothing new or special but companies do not talk about because consumers don't understand or care. We also know both NVIDIA and ATI perform some physical modification as it obviously cannot be unlocked via software (people have been trying for years). Regardless of the method use, these cores can not be unlocked via BIOS update.

Here's what a laser cut looks like on a ATI X800:
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/...ng/vidcard/100




Just because you don't know, don't assume no else here knows.

We absolutely know they are not the same chip. You can tell by the architecture. Even making that suggestion shows that you don't have any background in this...



GF100 vs GF104. Note that the GF104 has what appears to be 16 distinct blocks but it is actually 8 blocks. NVIDIA disables one of these. That makes it 7x48 = 336 cores.


Here is the GF100 up close:
Thanks for that, quite informative. At least it clears up one thing: On the GTX 460 chips, there are 8 clusters. I think someone said they weren't there at all but I'm not going through 32 pages of bickering to find it

I still do not have a response from Nvidia. Maybe time to take it higher up the food chain? Or maybe they don't want to specify.

EDIT: It seems you're thinking that the 560 is a GF100 from the post, forgive me if I'm wrong. But I'm fairly certain it's GF114, the next generation of GF104
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I still do not have a response from Nvidia. Maybe time to take it higher up the food chain? Or maybe they don't want to specify.
Quite honestly... you aren't important enough.... For technical data, you need to know direct technical/marketing contacts and not go through customer service.

You can ask reviewers who have relationships and contacts with NVIDIA... however, this information has already been disseminated.
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