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Originally Posted by codejunki View Post
No. Its just the same "socket", thats like buying a regor AM3, then trying to unlock it to a deneb, for the last time the gf104 and gf114 are 2 totally different cores. You may be able to flash a 560 bios for higher clocks, but your risking bricking your card.
Holy Moly you guys just don't get it. GF104 IS GF114 but with ONE cluster DISABLED. What we are trying to find out in this thread is whether flashing it to a 560 unlocks the disabled cluster, and so for it has not. However, more than result is required for reproduction and therefore validation on whether the cluster unlocks or not.

We are not questioning whether you will brick your card, the chance of that happening is a given, you don't need to tell us what we already know.

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Holy crap dude, get this threw your head, a 460 and 560 are just as similar as a 480 and a 580 are. Have fun, for all you know you couldve inspired someone to do something stupid and brick their card.
Which is why we are in this thread determining what happens if you flash your 460 to a 560's BIOS.

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The 8800gt and 9800gt ARE REBRANDED. You run the risk of bricking your card everytime you do something like flash the bios, what if you lost power during flashing? Then what?
And the 8800GT is G80 and the 9800GT is G92. The GTX 460 is GF104 and the GTX 560 is GF114. I'm sure they changed things in G92 as well, which yielded slightly better performance. No doubt they did the same with GF114, but what about that disabled cluster in GF104? Hence, the flashing to a GTX 560 BIOS.

So far we've seen one before and after screenshot, but every individual GPU is different, so like unlocking cores on a phenom, it isn't guaranteed.

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You may think, what if you run into problems later in the cards life, why dont we try running a 580 bios on my 480, OH YA BECUZ THATS DUMB, WHY WOULD I RUN A BIOS MEANT FOR A CARD I DONT HAVE?
Flashing cards is always dangerous. Flashing an 8800GT to a 9800GT is dangerous. Flashing an FX 5200 to an FX 5500 is dangerous. Flashing a 6950 to a 6970 is dangerous (but you have a dual BIOS) Flashing any card to any other card is dangerous.
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Let me give some examples.

The flash from an FX5200 to a FX5500 works because they are both based on the same NV34 chip. The same as the 8800GS to 8800GT works because they are both based on the same G92 chip.

What makes you think a GTX460 (based on GF104 chip) will flash into a GTX560? (based on GF114 chip.) Both are based on different chips, the GF114 is a partially redesigned GF104 full clusters. While the GF104 has one of its clusters physically cut off.
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post #93 of 331
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You may think, what if you run into problems later in the cards life, why dont we try running a 580 bios on my 480, OH YA BECUZ THATS DUMB, WHY WOULD I RUN A BIOS MEANT FOR A CARD I DONT HAVE?
OK... I don't care about subjective explanations. If you have something to say that you think is true please bring some proof.

For example, i will say it again: I have flashed GTX 460 with GTX 560, look at the architecture of the core. Please use the brain and the fingers together.
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Holy Moly you guys just don't get it. GF104 IS GF114 but with ONE cluster DISABLED. What we are trying to find out in this thread is whether flashing it to a 560 unlocks the disabled cluster, and so for it has not. However, more than result is required for reproduction and therefore validation on whether the cluster unlocks or not.

We are not questioning whether you will brick your card, the chance of that happening is a given, you don't need to tell us what we already know.



Which is why we are in this thread determining what happens if you flash your 460 to a 560's BIOS.



And the 8800GT is G80 and the 9800GT is G92. The GTX 460 is GF104 and the GTX 560 is GF114. I'm sure they changed things in G92 as well, which yielded slightly better performance. No doubt they did the same with GF114, but what about that disabled cluster in GF104? Hence, the flashing to a GTX 560 BIOS.

So far we've seen one before and after screenshot, but every individual GPU is different, so like unlocking cores on a phenom, it isn't guaranteed.



Flashing cards is always dangerous. Flashing an 8800GT to a 9800GT is dangerous. Flashing an FX 5200 to an FX 5500 is dangerous. Flashing a 6950 to a 6970 is dangerous (but you have a dual BIOS) Flashing any card to any other card is dangerous.
AND MANY OTHER REVISIONS, its not the same chip, it may look the same but who cares, ITS NOT THE SAME CHIP. THE GF104 MAY HAVE 1 CLUSTER UNLOCKED, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IS THE ONLY DIFFERCE YOU SEEM TO GET. You think nvidia was going to just enable 1 core and sell it? OMG, you fool. Have fun in trying pointless things, if it was possible, IT WOULDVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
And nvidia even said that the ONLY difference between g90 and 92 was a shrinking the die, NOTHING ELSE CHANGED.
    
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OK... I don't care about subjective explanations. If you have something to say that you think is true please bring some proof.

For example, i will say it again: I have flashed GTX 460 with GTX 560, look at the architecture of the core. Please use the brain and the fingers together.
You cant see anything that is 40nm small, so how would you know what the arch looks like, I SAY THIS AGAIN, THE LAYOUT IS THE SAME, THE ACTUAL THINGS THAT MAKEUP THAT LAYOUT ARE REVISED/CHANGED FROM GF104
    
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OK... I don't care about subjective explanations. If you have something to say that you think is true please bring some proof.

For example, i will say it again: I have flashed GTX 460 with GTX 560, look at the architecture of the core. Please use the brain and the fingers together.
All you have proven is that the 460 and 560 are close enough cousins to be compatible with the same BIOS, but no unlocking results. Period.
    
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AND MANY OTHER REVISIONS, its not the same chip, it may look the same but who cares, ITS NOT THE SAME CHIP. THE GF104 MAY HAVE 1 CLUSTER UNLOCKED, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IS THE ONLY DIFFERCE YOU SEEM TO GET. You think nvidia was going to just enable 1 core and sell it? OMG, you fool. Have fun in trying pointless things, if it was possible, IT WOULDVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
And nvidia even said that the ONLY difference between g90 and 92 was a shrinking the die, NOTHING ELSE CHANGED.
Surely not done by you ). Hello! I am an engineer. We are trying to see if we can do it, so get lost and let us do it. Please, kiss some nvidian ass and speak somewhere else about the things you can't do, or whatever. We don't need ballast text. Take care :-*
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some of you guys are like a bunch of little girls in a playground.

Give me some proof about these big changes between 104 to 114 and maybe ill listen to what your saying. So far all nvidia have said is that they have changed low leakage transistors with high leakage. Still same chip, same layout, same workings.

And yes people card manufacturers do rebrand chips and change the names. The 5770 has just been rebranded the 6770 hasnt it?

You guys have some problem with the fact that we might actually end up with 460s that whip your 470s lol.
    
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Let me give some examples.

The flash from an FX5200 to a FX5500 works because they are both based on the same NV34 chip. The same as the 8800GS to 8800GT works because they are both based on the same G92 chip.

What makes you think a GTX460 (based on GF104 chip) will flash into a GTX560? (based on GF114 chip.) Both are based on different chips, the GF114 is a partially redesigned GF104 full clusters. While the GF104 has one of its clusters physically cut off.
Because the pinout is exactly the same. Because the chips are the same, save the name and one enabled/disabled cluster.

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AND MANY OTHER REVISIONS, its not the same chip, it may look the same but who cares, ITS NOT THE SAME CHIP. THE GF104 MAY HAVE 1 CLUSTER UNLOCKED, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IS THE ONLY DIFFERCE YOU SEEM TO GET. You think nvidia was going to just enable 1 core and sell it? OMG, you fool. Have fun in trying pointless things, if it was possible, IT WOULDVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
And nvidia even said that the ONLY difference between g90 and 92 was a shrinking the die, NOTHING ELSE CHANGED.
Do you think that nvidia are going to throw away a perfectly good architecture for a new series so soon? For all we know, the chips are exactly the same, save for that enabled/disabled cluster and the name.

What we are trying to do is find out how that cluster has been enabled/disabled. Whether it has been laser cut, or disabled in the BIOS and has a built in protection of some sort to prevent it working on a 460, or whether the chips are actually different. Which I highly doubt.

So far, it cannot be proven or disproven that the chips are the same or different.

Please, can we just have a proper discussion here without insults and caps lock?
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