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So,,, 5.2ghz 1.560v 73c

Good or bad?

I'd say good, seems most of you are saying bad. Why? Those 3 things seem fine to me.
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post #32 of 96
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Originally Posted by Hambone07si View Post
Nice. Bout time someone's on my side. I didn't want to set it to 1.6v for 24/7 but I will see what it can get stable.

If my temps stay in the 70c range even with 1.6v, I don't think I will harm the chip.

You guys hitting 99-100c on air are the one's that need to worry about killing your chip.
not really, they degrade faster with higher than normal voltage.
no matter how cold or warm they ar e (really slow on negative celcius though)
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Originally Posted by Hambone07si View Post
So,,, 5.2ghz 1.560v 73c

Good or bad?

I'd say good, seems most of you are saying bad. Why? Those 3 things seem fine to me.
I mean under just water you are undoubtedly causing damage to the chip if this voltage is coursing through it 24/7. Honestly you should bring your volts under 1.4v or at least 1.45v.

Can I ask what programs you are using that you need this kind of clock speed?

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not really, they degrade faster with higher than normal voltage.
no matter how cold or warm they ar e (really slow on negative celcius though)
Well heat is a measure of energy and electron migration occurs when there is more energy around the chip and thus by running at Sub Zero temperatures you are decrease the overall energy present and lessening the effect of electron migration. Even so LN2 is usually only used for benching not 24/7.
Edited by tconroy135 - 1/25/11 at 9:19am
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not really, they degrade faster with higher than normal voltage.
no matter how cold or warm they ar e (really slow on negative celcius though)
From 14 years of overclocking experience, it's the hot hardware that dies. The higher voltage overclocks usually degrade first, and can still be backed down to lower voltage/speed.

I'll take a cool overvolted chip over a hot safely volted chip %100 of the time.

Honestly at the cost of these chips, if it runs for a year at 5.2 who cares?
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From 14 years of overclocking experience, it's the hot hardware that dies. The higher voltage overclocks usually degrade first, and can still be backed down to lower voltage/speed.

I'll take a cool overvolted chip over a hot safely volted chip %100 of the time.
What's wrong with a cool safely volted chip that performs the same compared to the unsafe one?
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what temp differences did you see with HT off ?
    
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Also, I've been thinking of ordering the UD7 and returning the UD4. What do you think about this move??
I wouldn't suggest it... I've been playing with the UD7 and the BIOS support right now is terrible.

It will boot one moment, run Prime and be fully stable, and the boot cycle after a restart. After a few cycles, even after clearing the CMOS (which doesn't even have a button on the back?!), it will reflash your BIOS (you have no options), getting rid of all the settings you made. You also have to flash the BIOS using the newest beta version of @BIOS as you cannot flash from the BIOS itself right now (that feature is totally broken). ET6 requires a restart for almost everything as well.

Basically, I really wish I'd gone with the Maximus IV Extreme. The UD7 is bugged and effectively useless because of it. Half the time it won't even boot if AHCI is enabled...

Hambone, there's no way I'd run 1.56V for a 24/7 setting unless it loaded between -50°C up to maybe 20°C. Benching, absolutely, but not 24/7.
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Well heat is a measure of energy and electron migration occurs when there is more energy around the chip and thus by running at Sub Zero temperatures you are decrease the overall energy present and lessening the effect of electron migration. Even so LN2 is usually only used for benching not 24/7.
Heat energy doesn't cause electromigration itself. It just makes things more prone to it.

Dramatically reducing temps can reduce electromigration significantly, even if current and voltage going through the chip remains the same.

A 32nm chip at -150C will likely last longer at 1.6v than the same chip would last at 50C, at 1.3v, all other things being equal.
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I mean under just water you are undoubtedly causing damage to the chip if this voltage is coursing through it 24/7. Honestly you should bring your volts under 1.4v or at least 1.45v.

Can I ask what programs you are using that you need this kind of clock speed?



Well heat is a measure of energy and electron migration occurs when there is more energy around the chip and thus by running at Sub Zero temperatures you are decrease the overall energy present and lessening the effect of electron migration. Even so LN2 is usually only used for benching not 24/7.
I use this for benching and secondary gaming. Mainly for benching and going as far as I can. It's my test bench, and the main purpose was to push cpu's as far as I can.

If I could run 5.2ghz for the time I have this, I would like to. I won't have it longer than it takes for IB to come out. I'll be upgrading to that when it does.

So I'm looking at about 8 months of use, then it's gone.

Everything is going faster the higher I clock it. When booting up at 4.7ghz, you see the windows logo come all the way up and then shines, then you see the blue welcome screen, then the desktop.

With it at 5ghz, the windows logo doesn't reach the point where it shines, you see no blue welcome screen. Just straight to the desktop.

At 5.2ghz the windows logo barely makes it half way and then your at the desktop. Boot time's are insane on this platform with a C300 SSD.

The higher I clock it, the higher the FPS is in games that don't use multiple cores. With Dirt 2, for every 100mhz I go up, the min FPS goes up about 5fps. So for that extra 200mhz, it goes up 11fps.

I like higher min fps.
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A 32nm chip at -150C will likely last longer at 1.6v than the same chip would last at 50C, at 1.3v, all other things being equal.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I've seen chips with crazy high volts last a long time with the temps being kept in check.
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