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Yeah,
I could see 10-15 cents per GB. I run streaming video on my laptop constantly and that price still wouldn't be too bad. 50c/GB would be completely redonkulous.
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Before this, Shaw was charging $47/month for a 7.5MBit line with 75GB of bandwidth/month.

They have since revised that plan to 60GB of bandwidth, and $2/GB over that.
    
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I think I'm gonna be sick... The greed and monopolizing is so blatant and obvious. We are doomed to fall behind the rest of the world. I already pay up wards of $65 a month for 100gb cap @ 6mb/s... absolutely ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Sirrush View Post
I wonder how this will effect western Canada, seeing as Bell and Rogers are only cell phone companies around here (I think bell also has satellite tv, but never see it anywhere). Our main isp's are Telus (ew) and Shaw (yay for no contracts and decent speeds). As far as I can tell, this article is mainly about eastern Canada, which is a lot different than Western Canada is, in terms of what we have.
This is not cell internet, this is standard wired internet that you hook up your home PC too that is going to be metered.

Ya Western Canada seams a lot different, I'm not sure what Bell aliant is but it seams to be some how different from the Bell in Ontario because Bell in Ontario has the worst packages for internet and the worst network. They cap everything, like 40gb cap for the best packages.


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Originally Posted by slngsht View Post
wow. I guess Netflix should pull out of canada now... I bet that would stir up some hardcore reactions in the general public.
Hopefully people will realize what is happening once they start getting their internet bills in. Its also surprising how little coverage this issue has gotten in the media. The only two stories I have seen about this were in the Globe, its almost as if they don't want people to know they are going to be gouging them for internet soon and that we will be forced to go back to expensive cable and satalite tv packages if we want any good selection of programing.
Edited by james_ant - 1/25/11 at 10:02am
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Before this, Shaw was charging $47/month for a 7.5MBit line with 75GB of bandwidth/month.

They have since revised that plan to 60GB of bandwidth, and $2/GB over that.
Unreal. I'd end up paying 80 to 90 bucks a month.
post #26 of 116
I think a lot of people are missing the various points of contention. In recent times, the CRTC has made a lot of "decisions", all seem to be based on pandering to corporate, profit-driven motives, and to allow for various anti-competitive practices that frankly, would be utterl illegal in the US.

Going to a reseller like Teksavvy will not help, as the CRTC decided that the duopolists are entirely entitled to throttle, cap and inspect their packets, as well as to levy overage charges. So really, even if you are not their customer, you are their customer because they have the given right to collect cash and to regulate everything that you do.

This "decision" is not about levying a charge for overage, it is about charging for all activity, in addition to "basic fees". You will be charged from zero. And it does not matter one iota if you are a customer of the duopolists - this will apply to each and every reseller, which will have to pass on these charges.

The only exception may be with cable companies, however, the CRTC and the Competition Bureau have been on a binge of granting authorization for any number of anti-competitive, syndicate building "mergers", and even if you don't buy cable from the duopolists, they indeed are receiving their levy because they have been allowed to buy up all of the available media content. Same with the cellular networks, where various "independent" companies are just shell companies to hide the fact that they are nothing more than cash harvesting machines for the duopolists.

Infrastructure is simply terrible. Outside of some small, municipally own public utilities that operate their own fiber optic networks - our network is utter garbage. Just like the cell phone network, which is retrograde, slow, expensive, and has the worst coverage area imaginable. I don't expect any of the big players to put in anything better than cheezy DSL - they simply don't need to when the CRTC shovels cash into their pockets with the quasi-monopoly that the duopolists have, and the outrageous rates of which they entirely control.

I see no problem with "metered Internet", if it was handled like utilities. Say, $10 per month for the connection and maintenance, and 2-3 cents per GB. Or whatever the numbers, based on the cost of operating a network and something that approximates the real cost of moving data. Really, even if it was 10 cents a GB - a movie would be like 50 cents, which I would consider reasonable. However, the CRTC is all about allowing ISPs to charge $60 per month, to run on slow, obsolete networks, where your traffic is capped, shaped, inspected, throttled, and so on - and then to allow $1-2 per GB on top of that - is simply outrageous.

Of course, they make these decisions without actually showing us any of the real numbers (or frankly, without even showing us the fake numbers). It is like the "network upgrade fee" that they gouged us with for years - none of that money was ever used to upgrade anything, except the quality of the caviar the executives of the telcos spread on their high priced prosititutes...
post #27 of 116
This isn't really recent news (or is it?). The CRTC had put forth Canada's net neutrality rules back in October of 2010. I found this out when I was reading about the FCC's proposed net neutrality rules in the US. For those that are interested, the Canadian net neutrality rules from October are:

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBC News
Internet providers will still be able to use network-management practices such as traffic shaping and slowing of certain applications, and limiting bandwidth usage of heavy downloaders. When implementing such a technical measure, ISPs will have to prove that:

•It is designed to address a specific purpose, such as preventing congestion.
•It is as narrowly tailored as possible to achieve its intended purpose.
•It causes as little harm as possible to the customer, application or wholesale internet provider.
Economic measures such as download limits would not achieve the same result.
Define "economic measures":

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBC News
The CRTC is also requiring ISPs to institute economic measures to control usage such as charging "consumers rates based on how much bandwidth they use each month, or offer discounts during off-peak hours."
Source
Net Neutrality FAQ at the time of the ruling
More Comprehensive Explanation of CRTC ruling
Telecom Regulatory Policy CRTC 2009-657

My own opinion on this is that it seems like the whole situation, or least the outcome, has been prefabricated by some very large controlling interests to create a lose/lose for the consumer with a greater focus on the US. If net neutrality is eventually adopted, then the consumer will end up paying per GB at this rate (on top of a flat rate for the same service as pre-net neutrality); whereas if the idea of net neutrality is shot down, then ISPs would seem to have the green light to perform preferential traffic shaping. In the first scenario, the consumer must pay extra to essentially keep the freedoms that they already have; while in the second scenario, the consumer pays the same but the ISPs leverage some freedoms away for their own benefit. The media service providers would seem to profit either way without much sacrifice. I am by no means an expert and welcome dissenting opinions and knowledge.

The silver lining in all of this (so far) would seem to be that the CRTC's ruling is kind of open-ended. They definitely left room for future refinement and improvement, imposed some important restrictions upon ISPs, and increased traffic management transparency. So it's not all bad. As others have already voiced, I too am intrigued by the idea of phasing out flat rates + GB caps and replacing them with per GB rates (i.e., paying for throughput as opposed to bandwidth), especially if that scheme makes increased bandwidth potential more accessible. A fair compromise might be to integrate bandwidth tiers into throughput packages. For example, 15/1 mbps @ $0.40 or 30/5 mbps @ $0.80. Now, how to keep all that fair for all parties, I wouldn't know.

Oh yeah... I don't intend to argue any of this with anyone, so don't waste your breath/keystrokes on or at me.
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I'm currently with rogers and the only alternative is Bell Aliant.

Rogers:
-No contract
-Decent Pricing relative to Aliant.
-Data Cap

Aliant:
-No Cap
-Speed advantage
-Contracts
-Heavy Conditions for them to hook up Fiber to your house.

I was completely satisfied with Rogers until this year... they doubled the max penalty for overusage to $50/mo from $25 which I hit every month (5 roomates).

And now it looks like Bell aliant is about to take away their biggest selling point and start metering internet. So soon i will have no capless alternative.

@evan, I agree with your proposed plan of maintenance+use and would even accept $.25/GB but this will never happen as ISP's are under no pressure to lower their 1-$2/GB charges.
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Yeah, I keep trying to see in in different lights but all I see is me going to the store and buying retail PC games again... $59.99 for a new game then $12 to download it yay...
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I guess Netflix should pull out of canada ...
That would be a little premature.
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