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Bulldozer vs Ivy Bridge thread #456934 FTW!!!
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Plex;12147439 
I thought 2011 was a server socket.
yes it is, nothing changed yet
this confirms it:
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/haberleri/ntelden-10-cekirdekli-ve-30MB-L3-bellekli-yeni-islemciler-geliyor.htm
it seems that LGA2011 will be server only (server platform=no overclock)

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Originally Posted by Atomfix;12136467 
Haswell? Never heard of this lol
A future chip after IB, with larabee gpu inside.
Well, still no signs about that GPU..

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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared;12144292 
After seeing the way Jeff reacted about high end chips not being important to AMD nor the single thread performance, I think Intel will remain the best choice for gamers for awhile.
Majority of code is integer, that is exactly why BD has more cores and shared FPUs.
Edited by pietro sk - 1/26/11 at 2:10pm
    
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Originally Posted by obsidian86;12136419 
i think the % overclockibility will be the same but ivy bridge should be a bit faster clock for clock,and as shown in extreme clock competitions amd will hit a higher clock then intel but will lag on clock for clock,Bd is supposed to make up the clock for clock deficit

I dont know if this has been mentioned in the thread yet, but so far...a BD core will indeed be faster clock for clock than thuban...but its not known to be faster than i7 yet and Im willing to bet it wont be. Its a highspeed design, its goal is to attain insanely high clock speeds. That is AMD's in how to be competetive with intel at this point.
Insanely high clocks at a decent TDP while increasing IPC vs their current designs is the entire goal behind BD.
Oh and of course awesome throughput on extremely high amounts of threads.

This is the first attempt at a high speed design by either intel or amd (never for AMD) that has been done since the P4. If everything goes well, I easily can see AMD being the first to make 10ghz under extreme cooling! (through those hardcore overclockers of course)
Considering we are already at 7.2ghz w/ current AMD chips, 10ghz on a speed demon based design shouldnt be that hard especially when AMD's 32nm process starts maturing.
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Originally Posted by GenTarkin;12153501 
I dont know if this has been mentioned in the thread yet, but so far...a BD core will indeed be faster clock for clock than thuban...but its not known to be faster than i7 yet and Im willing to bet it wont be. Its a highspeed design, its goal is to attain insanely high clock speeds. That is AMD's in how to be competetive with intel at this point.
Insanely high clocks at a decent TDP while increasing IPC vs their current designs is the entire goal behind BD.
Oh and of course awesome throughput on extremely high amounts of threads.

This is the first attempt at a high speed design by either intel or amd (never for AMD) that has been done since the P4. If everything goes well, I easily can see AMD being the first to make 10ghz under extreme cooling! (through those hardcore overclockers of course)
Considering we are already at 7.2ghz w/ current AMD chips, 10ghz on a speed demon based design shouldnt be that hard especially when AMD's 32nm process starts maturing.
chance is there, BD is total brand new µarch built with high clocks in mind cool.gif
Tiny cores, and separate-shared FPU will enable way higher clocks for cores.
(IMHO K10 will look like snail, if compared to BD)

10GHz ? that would be a nice milestone, let´s hope nothing like coldbug appears wink.gif
    
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i hate technology sometimes these days.
by the time one is released, we start talking about next one.
on the good side, i'd like to think this is how evolution takes place
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of the two non-existent pieces of hardware, i pick unicorns as the best followed by vampires.

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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared;12144292 
After seeing the way Jeff reacted about high end chips not being important to AMD nor the single thread performance, I think Intel will remain the best choice for gamers for awhile.

Unless you want performance with a better price.
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Quote:
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Its a highspeed design, its goal is to attain insanely high clock speeds. That is AMD's in how to be competetive with intel at this point.

Where have you seen that? Or is it just an assumption you've made? Everything i've read looks like the client is designed FROM the server, and it's unlikely the server cpu will be highy clocked.

But since AMD refuse to anounce clock speeds until launch we really don't know...unless you're under NDA?!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cee;12153836 
i hate technology sometimes these days.
by the time one is released, we start talking about next one.
on the good side, i'd like to think this is how evolution takes place
biggrin.gif

It's more head spinning over in the Android realm. New phones every day.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by purpleannex;12153994 
Where have you seen that? Or is it just an assumption you've made? Everything i've read looks like the client is designed FROM the server, and it's unlikely the server cpu will be highy clocked.

But since AMD refuse to anounce clock speeds until launch we really don't know...unless you're under NDA?!

If you read about the low level micro architecture design we know of at this point. Everything points to a highspeed design.
It has deeper pipelines, higher latencies in specific areas, larger caches - all of which are the signs of a highspeed design.
The fact they are combining highk w/ SOI finally in their 32nm process is another sign of their goals.

Consult this article for an in depth look at the microarch.
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT082610181333&p=2

We could indeed see high clocked cpu's for server environments with BD, its not impossible especially if its a high speed design. Server environments could start seeing 3ghz+
I mean Power7 runs 4-5ghz in server environments and its a highspeed design as well.
    
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