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True but I can't see any need to switch to an IB chip anyways.

Because its all new tech, with a gpu fused into the cpu die.

Why is AM2+ ddr2 only? Why did AMD need to make a new socket for AM3 when the memory controller is on the chip anyways?
IB *should* be drop-in compat. with 1155, J/K
K10 vs BD there are way bigger differences, and it is partially socket compatible
Anyway, its not only my idea, that SB could be tweaked to make it compatible with nehalem sockets

because in AM2+ era, DDR3 tech wasnt available;) ..but compatibility is still there..
AM3 cpus will work in AM2+
(because they have both types mem ctrl)

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AM2+ and AM3 look like twins!

I guess INTEL could have made it 775 compatible, if they used the same K8 tech revised for the last 8 years too! But then they probably wouldn't have such a leader over AMD.

Ohh snap! Yah, he did that.
    
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We'll have to see, since AMD is losing at this point in that department.


Here is the link of what John said that I was referring to:

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/92...l#post12130813


From what I understand of what he said - gaming related performance is 5% of their income, it's not important. High performance chips aren't important either. But the way I read that is he believes we tie stock settings to overall performance, which we don't. We don't buy higher binned chips because they're a farce, we can take low end chips and overclock them well beyond what the factory offers, and 9 times out of 10 high binned chips overclock the same as low binned chips.

AMD is going to continue to offer highly clocked chips in the "mid ranged" area to compete with lower clocked INTEL chips which in the end overclock just as well if not better than the AMD chips...

And we're back to where we were with Phenom II vs Core i7/i5 again, AMD releasing 3.2GHz chips to look almost presentable in benchmarks vs 2.66GHz chips. Both of which overclock to around 4GHz, but as we know one of which performs much better at 4Ghz.

Overclockers are a very small part of the market, just like gamers, and high performance chips, so I highly doubt AMD is going to focus any effort towards these markets.




Ivy Bridge is 22nm die shrink of Sandy Bridge, INTEL is releasing x6 and x8 Sandy Bridge chips this year.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_B...roarchitecture)

It seems to be on the 2011 socket, though who really knows. One things for sure, they won't be cheap.

I don't think you are accurately portraying what I was saying. Maybe it would be better in the future if you don't try to interpret my words. Or please, add "he is a server guy so he really doesn't know much about the desktop business." Because that is definitely true.

My point was that there are a lot of really high end niche products that are extremely expensive to develop and have really poor ROIs. Things like 2P desktops and $1000 boutique benchmark parts that nobody buys come to mind.

But you can't take my statements to be AMD positions, my signature says it as well.
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My apologies. It wasn't my intention to misrepresent what you're saying, or to cause you any sort of problems

Is it AMDs goal to have the fastest processors again, or are they now more budget minded? To wit I mean is it AMDs goal to provide the best and fastest possible processor they can, or are they focusing more on reducing production cost, and aiming at a low to mid range market only? Or has it become a balancing act, where you try to do both?

Can you appreciate our infatuation with single thread performance when the software market on the none sever end is far from optimized for even quad cores?
    
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Is it AMDs goal to have the fastest processors again, or are they now more budget minded? To wit I mean is it AMDs goal to provide the best and fastest possible processor they can, or are they focusing more on reducing production cost, and aiming at a low to mid range market only? Or has it become a balancing act, where you try to do both?
From historical data, AMD has always been about delivering the best value for the money. They always price their chips just a wee bit less than comparable Intel processors.
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They do that as Intel does when they don't have the performance crown. I'm just wondering if they're trying to get it back as they had it before, or if they're going to become the McDonald's of the cpu industry.
    
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Anyone know if AMD has an answer to Intel's QuickSync?
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Ivy bridge will be way way expensive. Amd prolly will be reasonable but will try and take away some of the enthusiast market from
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They do that as Intel does when they don't have the performance crown. I'm just wondering if they're trying to get it back as they had it before, or if they're going to become the McDonald's of the cpu industry.
Remember the FX cpus? man they ran circles around intel with half the clocks
but intel resorted to aggressive marketing and now AMD are now this.......
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If only they made a dual cpu mobo that took both Bulldozer and Ivy bridge..... If I had to guess, Bulldozer will be close to Sandy while Ivy will be something much better. Only real reason I'll be staying AMD is since I don't need to upgrade all at once, I can go mobo first then pick up a Bulldozer cpu later, makes it easier.
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