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Ivybridge will probably thrash bd but the price difference could be massive.
Bd will also have the time advantage over ivybridge.
I know i will probably wait for ivybridge but it will be interesting to see whta mad come up with, ati are also doing well at the moment.
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Ivy Bridge will be better I say because it will be 22 nm compared to Bulldozers 32 nm but I do not know if Bulldozer will be updated to 22 nm sometime by Ivy Bridge or after.
yeah, smaller nm are often better.
but compare huge 45nm SOI thuban 6c die - achievable overclock - against smaller nehalem 4c 45nm bulk..

not bad results for amd
    
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Ivybridge will probably thrash bd but the price difference could be massive.
Bd will also have the time advantage over ivybridge.
I know i will probably wait for ivybridge but it will be interesting to see whta mad come up with, ati are also doing well at the moment.
chances are big
i believe intel will try push IB hard, but AMD probably knows his competitor better than i do. (and will prepare for that)

FMA4 support from the start (useful mainly for scientific computing-it will be faster too), only Haswell will have FMA support..

the reason why i´m positive about BD is fact, that is designed with "speed demon" layout in mind
K10 wasn´t designed with this in mind -IIRC
(and the performance hints around the web + many µarch analyses/discussions from chip profesionals)



some article i´ve read recently - it said that manufacture costs below 32nm will be pretty expensive . 16nm even more
    
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some article i´ve read recently - it said that manufacture costs below 32nm will be pretty expensive . 16nm even more
Why would it be more expensive to produce smaller chips? if there's more CPU's per wafer then surely they won't have to charge as much?
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What would be the pont in that? :





Unless a new AMD chipset/mobo would improve your current cpu, which is doubtful since the new chipset/mobo is designed for BD and not the X6, then "upgrading" your mobo for your cpu would be pointless. keeping the compatibility between cpu's and boards is a hook to get people thinking like you, so once you've bought into the new AM3+ mobo loop your compelled to buy a BD at some point.

Since if anyone wants to buy a BD they'll need a new mobo, it's better to wait and see what's faster/cheaper/better value/best suits your needs.

I don't fancy buying a new mobo, then finding out it doesn't improve my cpu at all, then to cap it a new BD might cost £800 when Intel might have something better for less.
Called a joke....

Anyway, reason I'd be going mobo first is not because I'm looking for some cool new features to unlock for my 1090, but more because the current board I have isn't the best for OC'ing and bios features, so instead of dropping money on a 890GX/FX now, I'll just pick up a decent 990 and at least whenever I feel the need to upgrade my mobo I can go to Bulldozer.

If I end up switching to Intel, so be it, but since I'm wanting to swap Mobo's might as well get something that is compatible with BD.
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Why would it be more expensive to produce smaller chips? if there's more CPU's per wafer then surely they won't have to charge as much?
of course lower nm= more chips per wafer / more transistors

but these sizes require special materials/special techniques -- way more expensive
    
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post #77 of 164
I'm an intel fanboy, but I think bulldozer will be much of a "bang for your buck"

Although we can't tell for sure until they come out
    
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I plan on going BD. I know IB will beat it but, as usual, it will be $1K plus at launch. I bet IB will be like $400-$500 max for the best chip.
    
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post #79 of 164
It's best to just wait and see. Both sound really amazing, i'm hoping AMD pull something special out of the bag.

Ivy Bridge will most likely be Q1 2011 at CES. Bulldozer will be late this year i'm guessing.
post #80 of 164
I like how so many people are saying IB will basically kill BD. Man, I wish I had a crystal ball too so I can pick the next lotto numbers.

Either are a while away from being properly reviewed so useless to debate them but I guess we can speculate and we all have an opinion.

Who knows, maybe AMD has got something up their sleeve and is tired of Intel being the "top-dog." 8-core BD that OC to 6Ghz on air?!
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