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I've had more problems with ATI than nvidia drivers... I think nvidia just has better coding IMO. Their UI works smoother and w/ less issues. I don't have driver complications w/ nvidia.
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Doesn't look like a very fair poll to me. ATI had almost twice more voters.

Also I'm not a fan of either company but I'd say ATI/AMD are crap, but Nvidia are just less crap. I got a lot of games I wouldn't have a hope in hell of running on ATI/AMD cards, which the latest Nvidia card still runs fine. Also AMD/ATI cards are insanely picky about what motherboard you're using. Most people who claim never to have had problems run their cards on PCs with ATI/AMD north/southbridge chips. The problems with ATI cards show when you're running ancient PCs (like the one in my sig) which randomly conflicts with the integrated graphics (which aren't even ATI by the way). ATI also brought a tonne of compatibility issues with the 5000 series cards and newer driver revisions because I've noticed them (I had a 2900XT running in my rig which died around the time 5000 cards were released). Went for replacing it with a 5770 (ON A FRESH XP PRO INSTALL, not through that Driver Sweeper BS) -- big mistake. Device manager shows 5770 not working properly after installing latest drivers and my integrated SIS IGP with an exclamation mark showing conflicts, even though I disabled it through the BIOS. Playing any DirectX game didn't work properly, with random BSODs and stuttering all the time in ancient games which my 2900XT, and even my 8600GT ate for breakfast. OpenGL games ran even worse, some not even getting past the loading screen. After that crap I gave up on ATI completely. I remember even with a lot of newer, updated 2900XT driver revisions, it would kill compatibility in quite a few games. Now I got a GTX 460 which runs all games my 2900XT wouldn't (pre-2005) as well as all the newer games, AA/AF settings maxed on all of them that have them available in game.

Also one thing I hate about both companies is that most of the special stuff both of them advertise never works (special AA and AF techniques through their driver's control panels kills performance and makes no graphical difference in 99% games).

No way in hell would I rate Nvidia drivers 9/10. More like 7 for Nvidia and 2 for ATI/AMD drivers. AMD need to employ a hell of a lot more people to work on their drivers/compatibility issues before their cards become useable for most PCs. For casual users, AMD drivers are fine (for people who play a few latest mainstream games on their PCs and do some Blu-ray watching or something), for compatibility and heavy users Nvidia are a lot better unfortunately.
    
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post #113 of 159
What so just because a few people gave Nvidia a slightly better driver score you believe that AMD's (not ATI's, try and keep up) drivers are bad? That's stupid, there's nothing wrong with them. Nvidia's drivers are just like AMD's, no they're not always perfect for everyone and yes some people will have issues but that doesn't make them terrible.
Edited by Phoenixlight - 1/26/11 at 7:50am
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What so just because a few people gave Nvidia a slightly better driver score you believe that AMD's (not ATI's, try and keep up) drivers are bad? That's stupid, there's nothing wrong with them. Nvidia's drivers are just like AMD's, no they're not always perfect for everyone and yes some people will have issues but that doesn't make them terrible.
pretty much , i have no issues ..nor do some others . yet theres always some one " my 5870 crashed help " is it cos ati drivers are crap .. LAWL no its cos your stoopid and dunno how to use a pc maybe ? console gaming is for dummies , might be easier for ya .. Wont have driver issues anymore =D
    
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OP you fail, 82 NIVDIA votes vs. 163 AMD/ATI votes.. next time you get the chance please slap yourself in the face.

Can't wait for 11.1s to release so my awesome crossfire setup becomes even awesomer while people like you try to make little AMD/ATI boycott threads.
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pretty much , i have no issues ..nor do some others . yet theres always some one " my 5870 crashed help " is it cos ati drivers are crap .. LAWL no its cos your stoopid and dunno how to use a pc maybe ? console gaming is for dummies , might be easier for ya .. Wont have driver issues anymore =D
Well it just so turns out that the 5870 I bought doesn't work at stock since the original owner abused it.

Does that mean I should go to console gaming just because I might need help figuring out an issue with my card?

AMD's new driver, 10.12, is completely horrid. Search forums everywhere. =P
    
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That's your TV's fault, not ATi's. Change the view mode on your TV so it will display the PC connection properly.

I've been using an ATi card in my HTPC for years now.
Do you really believe I am so ignorant and lazy as to not have tried everything possible with the TV? I am profoundly insulted.

There are no settings on my 40" Toshiba or my 32" Sanyo that will allow any of my ATI cards (4350, 4870, 5850, or my mobility 5650) to scale 1080p correctly. These are both native 1080p resolution sets, and not one of the ATI cards can display any resolution except 1360x768, without a black border around the entire image.

All of my NVIDIA cards work fine, on both sets.

Maybe the TVs do not follow some standard that they should be, but the bottom line is that NVIDIA works on them while AMD does not.

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No, the problem with the Nvidia cards is that they do NOT downclock when running 2 monitors.
Not down clocking is better than not working. I can cool a full speed video card, and I can afford the electricity required to run them.

However, I find overly conservative power saving settings extremely annoying. My 5850s refuse to run more than one flash stream at a time on my second monitor while I am gaming on the first. The flash windows will get corrupted, and the driver will reset itself. I'll probably have to force 3d clocks and volts at all times to get around this.

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I only have driver problems with ATI/AMD when I watch youtube videos, watch HD videos, play games, or run multiple 3d applications.

Don't understand why my 5850 couldn't handle 2 3d applications at once when my GTX 460 can handle 4.
Similar issue to what I'm experiencing, and it seems to be caused by the voltage/performance profiles.
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Do you really believe I am so ignorant and lazy as to not have tried everything possible with the TV? I am profoundly insulted.

There are no settings on my 40" Toshiba or my 32" Sanyo that will allow any of my ATI cards (4350, 4870, 5850, or my mobility 5650) to scale 1080p correctly. These are both native 1080p resolution sets, and not one of the ATI cards can display any resolution except 1360x768, without a black border around the entire image.
Have you tried launching an application and inside of it setting the resolution to 1920x1080?

When I hooked up my computer to my friend's Sanyo, it automatically changes the resolution to 1366x768 on the desktop. I opened Bad Company 2 and it automatically switched to my saved setting of 1920x1080.

Also, have you tried the Catalyst Control Center while your card is plugged into the TV?
    
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Well it just so turns out that the 5870 I bought doesn't work at stock since the original owner abused it.

Does that mean I should go to console gaming just because I might need help figuring out an issue with my card?

AMD's new driver, 10.12, is completely horrid. Search forums everywhere. =P
=p if the card is faulty theres nothing you can do ... I wouldnt go blaming drivers .. 5870 was released way before 10.12 so there shouldnt be an issue ? ..what drivers came packaged with the 5870's ?? 69XX is where the concern is atm fortunatly =D upcoming drivers should show some good performance gains hopefully .

10.12 was abit , eh .. but 11.1 should fix all those faults , im using 11.1 beta and its awsome !

p.s im only joking dude dw , just scratching my head as to why theres so many ati users having issues with drivers .. Thats no good , though i have confidence to say that those issues could be resolved fairly easily and probably isnt even driver related .. more software conflicting e.g ccc , ab , trixx ...they all dont work well together
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Do you really believe I am so ignorant and lazy as to not have tried everything possible with the TV? I am profoundly insulted.

There are no settings on my 40" Toshiba or my 32" Sanyo that will allow any of my ATI cards (4350, 4870, 5850, or my mobility 5650) to scale 1080p correctly. These are both native 1080p resolution sets, and not one of the ATI cards can display any resolution except 1360x768, without a black border around the entire image.

All of my NVIDIA cards work fine, on both sets.

Maybe the TVs do not follow some standard that they should be, but the bottom line is that NVIDIA works on them while AMD does not.



Not down clocking is better than not working. I can cool a full speed video card, and I can afford the electricity required to run them.

However, I find overly conservative power saving settings extremely annoying. My 5850s refuse to run more than one flash stream at a time on my second monitor while I am gaming on the first. The flash windows will get corrupted, and the driver will reset itself. I'll probably have to force 3d clocks and volts at all times to get around this.



Similar issue to what I'm experiencing, and it seems to be caused by the voltage/performance profiles.
I have a 42" lcd tv connected to my 6950 , works perfectly as it did with my 5850 , 5770 .. even off my old 7600gs and 9800gt i used to run fullscreen games on my tv fine .. even though they lagged alot lol the old nvidia cards were so loud while rendering frames you could hear the capicitors going off its head rendering 20fps lmao how times have changed ..
    
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