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Hello everyone. I am happy to be a new member here. I am building a new machine this weekend once all the parts get to me. This is not my first build, but the first one that a regular computer user would consider impressive.
This started as a Quad Core upgrade for my Dual Core system that I built last year. Then it went to a PSU upgrade, and a nicer case. Then the other day I went a little crazy on NewEgg and decided to build a whole machine instead of just upgrading my current one. These are the system specs to be.

AMD Athlon II X4 620 @2.6GHz
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO 790X AM3 RT
8 GB of G-Skill Ripjaws Dual Channel RAM
HIS HD6790 2GB Video card
300GB Western Digital Raptor 10,000 RPM HDD
CoolerMaster Hyper N 520 92MM sleeve CPU Cooler
Ultra LSP 650W.
Windows Home Premium 64Bit
Decent clear sided gaming case with pretty lights in it...

Okay, I know that CPU is a bit slower compared to the rest of the machine. I would like to OC this sucker to 3.0 or higher. I am new to overclocking this is why I am here. I would like to know if anyone here can give me detailed instructions on how to overclock this processor without causing instability. I would really appreciate the help.

Please dont criticize me for the Ultra PSU. I was on another blog that HATED Tiger Direct. And they tried to scare me into an Antec PSU instead. I am not sending the one I bought back. Not to mention after scouring the internet, I was able to find more dirt on Antecs PSU failures than I was able to with Ultra.

My current system came from Tiger as a kit last year. I have had no probs with it. and it has a junky brand of PSU. Extreme it is called.
Well any help on the OC would be great!!! Thanks in advance!
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Originally Posted by Bubsterfinster View Post
Hello everyone. I am happy to be a new member here. I am building a new machine this weekend once all the parts get to me. This is not my first build, but the first one that a regular computer user would consider impressive.
This started as a Quad Core upgrade for my Dual Core system that I built last year. Then it went to a PSU upgrade, and a nicer case. Then the other day I went a little crazy on NewEgg and decided to build a whole machine instead of just upgrading my current one. These are the system specs to be.

AMD Athlon II X4 620 @2.6GHz
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO 790X AM3 RT
8 GB of G-Skill Ripjaws Dual Channel RAM
HIS HD6790 2GB Video card
300GB Western Digital Raptor 10,000 RPM HDD
CoolerMaster Hyper N 520 92MM sleeve CPU Cooler
Ultra LSP 650W.
Windows Home Premium 64Bit
Decent clear sided gaming case with pretty lights in it...

Okay, I know that CPU is a bit slower compared to the rest of the machine. I would like to OC this sucker to 3.0 or higher. I am new to overclocking this is why I am here. I would like to know if anyone here can give me detailed instructions on how to overclock this processor without causing instability. I would really appreciate the help.

Please dont criticize me for the Ultra PSU. I was on another blog that HATED Tiger Direct. And they tried to scare me into an Antec PSU instead. I am not sending the one I bought back. Not to mention after scouring the internet, I was able to find more dirt on Antecs PSU failures than I was able to with Ultra.

My current system came from Tiger as a kit last year. I have had no probs with it. and it has a junky brand of PSU. Extreme it is called.
Well any help on the OC would be great!!! Thanks in advance!
Hi, and welcome to ocn!
First of all, I do agree with you that the cpu will be the first bottleneck you will encounter while playing games. This is why it looks like a good idea to overclock it. Though you asked help for overclocking without causing instability, it will take you more then juse a click to make it work well. Overclocking the first time is much longer because you're basiclly learning how to do so... So, you will likely be able to achieve a stable overclock with the cooler you bought, but it will surely take more than one try. Here are some tips that will surely help you during the process.

1- You must at all time enter your ram settings manually instead of leaving them on ''auto'' in the bios. This will help stabalizing your system, particulary because when overclocking the bus (which is also called FSB), you will overclock your ram frequency. So, if you don't want to have any stability issues because of your ram, you will need to enter manually settings such as the voltage, the frequency and the timmings. **IMPORTANT** You will have much more trouble achieving a stable overclock while using 4 ram sticks! So, to prevent further issues concerning this, you should always test your different overclock settings using only 2 sticks of ram, which in this case means only 4gb. Then when you're done, you can put back your 2 extra ram modules.

2- As you will be raising the FSB, this will also increase your HT (Hyper Transport link) frequency. The last thing you want is that your hyper transport link gets too far from 2000. So, if when overclocking and setting your ht settings, you should always choose the frequency that is the closest to 2000, no matter if it is higher or lower than 2000, as long as it is close to it...

3- When you will increase the FSB frequency, you will also need to increase the cpu core voltage (also called CPU VID, cpu vcore,...) as this will help your cpu handle the higher clock speeds. So, if for example, your cpu is running @ stock 2.6ghz with 1.33v, then if you want to achieve 3.2ghz, you would need close to 1.36v, sometimes more, sometimes less, all depends on your chip, which is basiclly a matter of luck...**IMPORTANT** An overclocking apprentice should never ever ever go past the maximum safe voltage for the chip he's using. This can damaga the chip permanently. I believe the maximum safe voltage for the Athlon II 620 is 1.425v

Once you boot into windows, you must run a stability test to see if your system is stable at the current overclock. You can start with 30 mins of prime95 or OCCT to check if it is stable enough to move up to a higher overclock. You should always check your temperatures as this will be the major issue when overclocking. You can use softwares such as HWmonnitor and AMD Overdrive to check your temps. For an AMD chip, the max safe temps while running @ 100% load (which is basiclly when running the stability test) is 60 celcius, I try never going over 55, its safer...

SO you'Re now ready to overclock your cpu for the first time, if you need any help, just ask!

Good Luck, have fun
-polm

Edited by polm - 1/26/11 at 3:16pm
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Thank you for the response. Actually it is only 2 sticks of RAM at 4 GB each. the other 2 slots will probably never be filled. at that speed, no need to fill them.
I have a question though. People like to jump on my coat tails about leaving my PC on at all hours. 24/7 much of the time. It was told to me a long time ago that leaving your PC run is safer than constant turn on, turn off after every use. I dont have an electric bill so I dont really care. I was told that the powering up of the machine is harder on the capacitors in the machine than a steady powering. Is this true, or well, what is your hypothesis?

BTW, I bought the cooler for the CPU for the reason of OCing. I guess before I OC this thing, I have to get it built first. I cannot wait to see what Black Ops is going to look like on this thing. It is going to be my first install after my OS. I tell you though, Had this not started out as a CPU upgrade, I would have gone stupid crazy with a Phenom 6 core. and I tell you what, that actually may happen in the near future. One more thing, tell me a little about AMD Overdrive.
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Edited by Bubsterfinster - 1/26/11 at 4:05pm
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Okay
Edited by Bubsterfinster - 1/26/11 at 4:05pm
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WD Raptor 10,000RPM LG DVD burner Windows 7 64 Home Premium 23in HP LCD 
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This will make things shorter. I knew that, just kind of forgot about the edit thing.
Edited by Bubsterfinster - 1/26/11 at 4:06pm
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Ok, first, you can use the edit button to put everything in one post
But, for the turn on/ turn off thing, I don't know about that...I've actually never thought about that issue...Although what you've heard makes sense to me, I put my computer on sleep mode when I go to bed...
For the 8gb, then you can ignore what i said before, as long as you have only 2 sticks, then everything is cool.
The cpu cooler you bought should work really well with that cpu, I'm sure it'll keep everything cool, and a cool system is the key when overclocking...
AMD overdrive is a utility developped by AMD (obviously ) to overclock your system using the software, but alsoi has a built in hardware temps monitor, which I really like. I really dont reccomend overclocking using a software as a software is not as good as a human when it comes to overclocking...So overclock in the bios...
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Gotcha, though let me know one thing, I do know that the software has to be compatible with your northbridge, and in this case, It will be on this system I am building. Does Overdrive make for a good testing ground so I would not have to keep restarting? I was kind of thinking perhaps I could do the overclock in Overdrive, run the stability test once I get it to where i wanted it, then go to the Bios and make the changes. Is this how it would work?
BTW, I am enjoying this community!!!
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Gotcha, though let me know one thing, I do know that the software has to be compatible with your northbridge, and in this case, It will be on this system I am building. Does Overdrive make for a good testing ground so I would not have to keep restarting? I was kind of thinking perhaps I could do the overclock in Overdrive, run the stability test once I get it to where i wanted it, then go to the Bios and make the changes. Is this how it would work?
BTW, I am enjoying this community!!!
Well, you could do that, but I dont think you can manually adjust the voltage in overdrive...
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Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
[Corsair][F90] [WD][Caviar Black][640GB] [Samsung][DVD-RW] [XSPC][Rasa+EK580GTX+] 
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[Windows 7][64bits] [Benq][21.5''][1920x1080] [CM][QuickFire] [CORSAIR][TX-650] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[CM][Custom HAF 922] [CM][Inferno] [Tt][Dasher] [Audio-Technica][ATH-M50] 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[I5-2430m] [Acer HM65] [ATI][6850m] [2x2GB][1333mhz] 
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