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I was kind of hoping for a brushed aluminum finish now that I've just looked at it and gave it a second thought. I like the rainbow color though.
The Finish is brushed Aluminum; the images shown so far are just 3D/CGI Renders.
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Oh don't worry; I have PLENTY of things I have written that will be published eventually.

It just depends when I can finalize it; I don't like to publish anything until I know I'm at least 90% done. (As you'll never really be 100% done except on dead tech.)
New things will come. You'll never be done but for today's tech, I'm sure you'll be able to get it 100% done.

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The Finish is brushed Aluminum; the images shown so far are just 3D/CGI Renders.
Oh.
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Dammit and I just ordered the Sunbeam Rheosmart 6. Oh well I can always mod the faceplate.
The Rheosmart looks like a nice product. I would love on demand automatic control for all my case fans. Sometimes i'm remoted in from work and if I do something CPU intensive I dont have to be there to manually turn up my Vantec Nexus NXP-201
 
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Molex, nor ATX Specifications outline a limit for a molex connector.
Not according to Molex's website. It may not equate to 75W, but it is there.

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I do not contradict myself either; as it's what's outlined by the manual though that does not indicated any current limit.
Well either you contradicted yourself or the manual is needlessly requiring 3-Molex connections. Take your pick.

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You are confusing PCI-PEG Limits with non existent limits for Molex connectors.
I may have gotten the 75W limit from an erroneous source (presumably on this site), but I know the difference. Nevertheless, Molex may not limit the wattage to the level that PCI-PEG does, but there is a reason it is limited by PCI-PEG. Few things are designed to be in normal use at their failure point, so a test to see what the failure point actually is doesn't really have a point.

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The reason a Molex to PCIe connector uses two Molex connections, is to support the required 3 12v Sources of PCIe cables.
OK? Even the 8-pin cable only has 3-12V sources. Nothing new here.
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Not according to Molex's website. It may not equate to 75W, but it is there.
No, it's not there.
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Well either you contradicted yourself or the manual is needlessly requiring 3-Molex connections. Take your pick.
The manual is stating the 3 molex connection requirement as a precautionary measure.
You're just to blind to actually see it as such. Not all PSU's use 18AWG wire. Some use 20AWG wire on the molex connectors. This could cause a problem as the wire could overheat with 240w being drawn from one molex connector.
In order to prevent such measures; they say it "requires" 3 Molex connections.

It also says this controller "requires" a 600w PSU. But if you plug it into a PSU with 240w to give on the 12v rail; it'll easily be able to run at it's full capacity without any changes needed (as long as the PSU has enough juice to give to the controller and the system.)


It only requires 3 Molex Connections to be present IF you want to use it's full capacity of 30 Watts per Channel or 2.5A
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I may have gotten the 75W limit from an erroneous source (presumably on this site), but I know the difference. Nevertheless, Molex may not limit the wattage to the level that PCI-PEG does, but there is a reason it is limited by PCI-PEG. Few things are designed to be in normal use at their failure point, so a test to see what the failure point actually is doesn't really have a point.
You just contradicted yourself there.
PCI-PEG Association imposes limits because they wish to maintain a compatibility standard.
The only difference between a 8pin and 6pin connection are the two grounds. This in no way contributes in a beneficial matter towards power limits. (Nor negatively for that matter.)

The only reason current limits are in place in the PCI-PEG Guidelines is to maintain a balance and order with complaint devices.

PCI-PEG also states that PCIe devices cannot exceed 300w to be complaint with the Guidelines. This is why Asus Ares, and other cards which break this limit do not carry a PCIe Badge on the box. Thus forth, because they are not PCI-PEG complaint.

Do this negatively effect them in any way? No. Does this cause them not to be able to be run on a certain mobo or PCI-PEG complaint devices? No.
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No, it's not there.
If you say so. Even Wikipedia seems to have a similar current limit stated, for what it's worth (apparently nothing, since they clearly don't exist).

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The only difference between a 8pin and 6pin connection are the two grounds. This in no way contributes in a beneficial matter towards power limits. (Nor negatively for that matter.)
That makes absolutely no sense. If it didn't increase efficiency of power delivery, it wouldn't be required. The extra 2 ground lines obviously help in power delivery; this I got straight from your horse's mouth (Jonny Guru) a while back when GPUs that required 8-pin connectors starting being released and I wanted to make sure my PSU, which uses a 6-pin modular plug at the unit but is 8 wires all the way to the GPU-side of the connector, would not limit me.

As for the rest of what you said: If you don't want to adhere to a suggested limit that's your perogative. That doesn't mean there isn't one, whether it's 75W or much higher (as it apparently is). By your reasoning, there's not really any CPU voltage limit because CPUs can operate at a much higher voltage than AMD and Intel recommend, for example. On that note, if you want to argue semantics then go right ahead, but you'll be talking to yourself.
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Funny how I learn more from watching debates than I do if I just ask or do my own research. *grabs popcorn and subbed*
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If you say so. Even Wikipedia seems to have a similar current limit stated, for what it's worth (apparently nothing, since they clearly don't exist).
It's not a current limit; it's a suggestion. They also give you a range of 12-22AWG wire.

There's a difference between a "this is what you should do" and "this is what you have to do"

Even then, your original argument is defunct because 10A x 3 Sources x 12v = 360w of potential power.
So even then only 2 connectors would be required at the bare minimum.

Even still, your original 75w "requirement" is bused as 10x12=120

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That makes absolutely no sense. If it didn't increase efficiency of power delivery, it wouldn't be required. The extra 2 ground lines obviously help in power delivery; this I got straight from your horse's mouth (Jonny Guru) a while back when GPUs that required 8-pin connectors starting being released and I wanted to make sure my PSU, which uses a 6-pin modular plug at the unit but is 8 wires all the way to the GPU-side of the connector, would not limit me.
No they don't; you're just spewing fud at this point.

The extra 2 wires on a 8pin connector ARE NOT for power delivery. One is supposed to be a 12v sense wire; to tell the PSU "Hey, 12v voltage is dipping to low!" and the other one is supposed to be a ground for that sense wire.

2 Grounds easily trick GPU's logic though, and require less work to be done on the PSU side (not as in load work, but as in actual build & design work.)

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As for the rest of what you said: If you don't want to adhere to a suggested limit that's your perogative. That doesn't mean there isn't one, whether it's 75W or much higher (as it apparently is). By your reasoning, there's not really any CPU voltage limit because CPUs can operate at a much higher voltage than AMD and Intel recommend, for example. On that note, if you want to argue semantics then go right ahead, but you'll be talking to yourself.
There's no reason to be snippy about it; there is a difference to a Requirement and a Guideline.

ATX Standards require motherboards to fit into certain size constraints for their class (ATX, mATX, mITX, E-ATX, ect)

ATX Guildelines only say that a PSU should have it's 12v output voltage between 11.4v & 12.6v with a ripple no higher than 120mv.

Requirements make it so you have to meet a certain standard to say you're complaint with something.

A Guideline only suggests that you meet that standard. Though you don't have to say you're complaint with those standards.
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Anyone know if this controller supports 4-pin fan header connectors? I want to put my PWM fans on it...
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Love everything about controller but the assorted leds are a deal breaker for me
    
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