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Updated with draft 2 - 10/24/2011

I have found other employment, and I have increased my funds by a decent amount, and as such, I am more determined than ever to get this project off the ground. If people wouldn't mind reading over this draft, as well as the constructive criticisms offered earlier, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on this. I have primarily revised the concluding paragraphs, trying to convey my passion for F@H as well as more subtly asking for financial support. Please let me know if this message is clear!

Alright guys, so I've decided that I would like to, over the course of the next year or so, begin to create my own folding farm. I have a minute source of income, which currently leaves me with ~$80 a week to spend on superfluous activities. These activities include keeping my girlfriend happy, as well as occupied, and making myself happy.

In the past 3 years, I have lost two family members to cancer. One to brain cancer, the day I started college, 8/23/08, and another the day after finals last spring semester, 5/6/10.

While certainly folding is an a competitive addiction, I do not want to detract from how important I find the research to be. So what I'm looking to do is to write about folding and why I find my own participation is so valuable, and how I would like to do more, and propose some sort of a fund to my family. The rig(s) built will be only for folding, no personal gain, and all donations would go towards their upkeep, not my own wallet.

I know that we have quite a variety of members here on this board, and I was wondering what your thoughts were on this. I know that for sure it's a bold move, but at the same time, I find it important. More work units completed, or each unit completed faster, means that much more can be analyzed by the Stanford team.

If this is well received here, I will type up a draft of what I would like to say for further opinions.


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In November, 2009, I came across a very interesting project through Stanford University. One of their research teams created a program that uses available resources on a computer for their project. This project has been running for many years, and it is called Folding@Home. This first piqued my interest because I had recently upgraded my entire computer and I had a bunch of new hardware that I wanted to find a use for. These programs are designed to take full advantage of all types of hardware, so this seemed to be a perfect fit. I caught a craze for a while, around the time that I had met Katie, which also coincided with very little computer use, so I dedicated my system to this research.

After a while, I ran into issues with the programs not running well on my system, and after many frustrations, I stopped all together for a couple of months. However, in recent months, I have started to look into the research again, and with the stress of classes and work now, I have a system that is once again, never utilized, but always on. After a quick search of my favorite tech site, I found out that the clients had been updated for my hardware and I was easily able to set everything up and working properly. Since November, 2010, I have been utilizing these clients for research.

Now, I keep mentioning computers and research. The exact research that is being done is called protein folding. Each protein in the body is “folded” individually when they are produced. Each protein has many chances for this “folding” to go wrong. Think about folding laundry, except much more complex. When a protein improperly folds, this can lead to various diseases, from Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s, but more importantly, especially for us, cancer. Therefore, the goal of this research is that hopefully, one day, enough data will be collected and possibly, a cure could come of it.

Obviously, I have quite a lack of a biological background, and what I’ve explained is my basic understanding of how Folding@Home operates. I will include several links for more information that can be read, if you want to learn more about it. What I do have a good understanding of, is how the hardware, and the Folding@Home clients, work.

What happens is that, upon turning on a client, your computer connects to Stanford’s database. The database will then assign your client a “work unit,” which is the protein they are interested in collecting data on. The client will now run a simulation of how the protein folds, looking for places where this can go wrong, and all that other nifty biological data. Depending on the complexity of the work unit, and the capability of the hardware, this process can take anywhere from hours to days. The most interesting part of this, is that it takes a protein about 1/10,000 of a nanosecond in order to "fold." A computer can analyze this, but it takes a computer about 1 day in order to mimic 1 nanosecond. Now, as you can imagine, in order for a computer to mimic the folding of a single protein, in its entirety, this would take years of research. Stanford's Folding@Home application breaks down this process across multiple computers, thousands of computers to be more precise, and by doing so, enables them to gain larger amounts of data much quicker.

Currently, I have several pieces of hardware that I have running this program. My CPU is currently able to crunch out a work unit about every 2.25 days. I have two graphics cards that are able to pump out work units each under 3 hours. Sorry for the technical terms here, as I am sure not everyone understands what each of these components are, but I did want to give a rough idea of what I am currently putting forth. On an average day, I produce between 14-16 units.

I know you're all waiting for the catch, which is the reason why I wrote this in the first place. I am looking to increase how much I am able to put forth each and every day. Over the course of the next year or so, begin to create my own folding farm. This is basically a collection of computers that I will run and maintain, that have a sole purpose of gathering data for Stanford.

So what this is, and what I hope that have achieved, is to explain what folding is, why I find my own participation to be so valuable and how I would like to do more. While certainly folding is competitive, and some would argue an addiction, I do not want to detract from how important I find the research to be. Therefore, I want to ask for help in pursuing this project. I have now allotted funds from my current jobs, and I am going to be purchasing, or have recently purchased, the first addition to my farm. This computer will be working on the newest units from Stanford, and require about 3 days of processing power per unit that they send. From my estimates, the cost of this addition is going to be just over $700, and I should be able to make the purchases by the end of November, and at the latest, I want to have the system running by the start of the new year.

I would like to ask the family if they would like to continue to contribute to this project that I am going to be pursuing. Several of my friends have thought that I would give up on this project, or become bored with it, but as time has shown, I have only increased the production capabilities of my computer, and I am seeking out adding more to this project. I am now approaching one year of continuous use of the Folding@Home software, and I plan on continuing this for as long as I have access to my computers. Any and all help would be appreciated, through your prayers and support, I would like to continue to build this project in memory of our loved ones.

Here are some links to learn more about the research:
Stanford's page: http://folding.stanford.edu/
Articles posted about results from the research so far: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Papers
Diseases that this research aims to understand: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-Diseases

There are multiple ways of following what my progress with the Folding@Home project. Here are several links if you are interested:
Charts and tables with information regarding how much I've produced: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.c...hp?s=&u=482883
Standfor's record of my participation: http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/...sername=stu%2E
Once I've completed my second machine, I will be setting up a website that will allow me to monitor all of these applications in one spot, and I will include that here.

Edited by stu. - 10/24/11 at 9:41am
 
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Wait who do you want to fund it exactly?
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Sorry, I just snuck it into a paragraph. I would like to propose this to my family.
 
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Lol at first I thought you wanted OCN to help you fund your folding...
We'd be happy to look at a draft of yours
I'm also very sorry for your losses.
    
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Lol at first I thought you wanted OCN to help you fund your folding...
Thought the same thing.


I am not good with the whole talking to parents about anything, I fund all my stuff so I will let others chime in.
Good luck, and sorry about your losses.
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So you want your parents to let you build a folding farm? I'm still a little confused but it is 1am here so I'm confused at everything
    
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Just tell them it's for a good cause! You'll learn along the way and feel good about yourself I'm trying to convince my mom to shove a 450 in her office computer and fold...ninja style.
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More specifically, my losses were on my fathers side of the family. In traditional Spanish style, it is quite a large family. I have 12 adult relatives on his side alone. This isn't just about going to my mom and dad to ask for an allowance... which I have yet to ever receive.

Sometimes I forget that not everyone has an "extended" family.
 
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if you going to build a farm with help/assistance from your family ? keep the electricity factor in,since it can grow quite a bit,nothing to worry about if you pay the bill (if so it is your own wallet that get hurt),or is in on it.
so folding hardware that is gentle to the electricity bill varies from powerful cpu-rigs doing bigadv,and a few gpu´s that is a little more gentle towards use of electriity.The good cpu-rigs cost more initially but sawe a bit power in the long run versus getting similar contributions with gpu´s which is cheaper to get but cost more in the long run by drawing more electricity.

worth keep that in mind, good luck and sorry for your loss.
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About a year and a half ago, I came across a very interesting project through Stanford University. One of their research teams created a program that uses available resources on a computer for their project. This project has been running for many years, and it is called Folding@Home. This first piqued my interest because I had recently upgraded my entire computer and I had a bunch of new hardware that I wanted to find a use for. These programs are designed to take full advantage of all types of hardware, so this seemed to be a perfect fit. I caught a craze for a while, around the time that I had met Katie, which also coincided with very little computer use, so I dedicated my system to this research.

After a while, I ran into issues with the programs not running well on my system, and after many frustrations, I stopped all together for a couple of months. However, in recent months, I have started to look into the research again, and with the stress of classes and work now, I have a system that is once again, never utilized, but always on. After a quick search of my favorite tech site, I found out that the clients had been updated for my hardware and I was easily able to set everything up and working properly. Since November, I have been utilizing these clients for research.

Now, I keep mentioning computers and research. The exact research that is being done is called protein folding. Each protein in the body is “folded” individually when they are produced. Each protein has many chances for this “folding” to go wrong. Think about folding laundry, except much more complex. When a protein improperly folds, this can lead to various diseases, from Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s, but more importantly, especially for us, cancer. Therefore, the goal of this research is that hopefully, one day, enough data will be collected and possibly, a cure could come of it.

Obviously, I have quite a lack of a biological background, and what I’ve explained is my basic understanding of how Folding@Home operates. I will include several links for more information that can be read, if you want to learn more about it. What I do have a good understanding of, is how the hardware, and the Folding@Home clients, work.

What happens is that, upon turning on a client, your computer connects to Stanford’s database. The database will then assign your client a “work unit,” which is the protein they are interested in collecting data on. The client will now run a simulation of how the protein folds, looking for places where this can go wrong, and all that other nifty biological data. Depending on the complexity of the work unit, and the capability of the hardware, this process can take anywhere from hours to days.

Currently, I have several pieces of hardware that I have running this program. My CPU is currently able to crunch out a work unit about every 2.25 days. I have two graphics cards that are able to pump out work unit each under 3 hours. Sorry for the technical terms here, as I am sure not everyone understands what each of these components are, but I did want to give a rough idea of what I am currently putting forth. On an average day, I produce between 14-16 units.

I know you're all waiting for the catch, which is the reason why I wrote this in the first place. I am looking to increase how much I am able to put forth each and every day. Over the course of the next year or so, begin to create my own folding farm. I have some extra computer components that I would like to use for the cause, but I am missing other hardware in order to make a full computer.

So what this is, and what I hope that have achieved, is to explain what folding is, why I find my own participation to be so valuable and how I would like to do more. While certainly folding is competitive, and some would argue an addiction, I do not want to detract from how important I find the research to be. Therefore, I want to ask for help, as I am struggling to this on my own. I would really like to build a computer, or perhaps even multiple computers, that will only fold, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I have more than I could ever ask for, so any and all donations would go towards their upkeep, and not my own wallet.

Here are some links to learn more about the research:
Stanford's page: http://folding.stanford.edu/
Articles posted about results from the research so far: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Papers
Diseases that this research aims to understand: http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-Diseases

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I am trying to now work on this final piece. Obviously it is the crux of my proposal, and I’m struggling with how to introduce and make a convincing argument. As I work on this, how does the first bit look?
Edited by stu. - 1/28/11 at 5:21pm
 
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