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A 300W PSU is far too much for a GTS 250, and even if it weren't I wouldn't recommend it. There will differences bewteen the real value of the voltage the card is going to receive thru the motherboard PCIe bus (from the 600W PSU) and what it'll receive thru the PCIe connector from the 300W PSU. Yo'd be better cutting the PCIe connector, solder it onto the 600W PSU, or:
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Better off getting a molex to 6 pin pci-e adapter.
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Pictures soon to come..

600W PSU(PC To be installed with the GTS250)


300W PSU(Second PSU hopefully to be used)


The testing i mean( I'm testing 3 generic fans that my client told me to buy and install on his sys)(You can also see my 3rd router in the house[Belkin])

Edited by Speedster159 - 1/27/11 at 8:38am
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1.) That Apex PSU is a piece of crap and you should NOT run any computer on it PERIOD. Kill it with fire and spend more than $10 on your next PSU. The Radius2 is also a piece of crap. The AGI (HEC) is slightly better, but still pretty poor.


2.) Most power supplies under $70 and all cheap generic PSUs use what's called group regulation, where +12V and +5V share the same regulation coil. This means if you have a heavy load on the +12V, but none on the +5V (like when running a graphics card) the +12V voltage will drop and +5V voltage will spike. +12V may drop as low as 11.2V on a poor design if no +5V load is present. ATX specification requires +12V be above 11.4V; I have observed instability in systems when +12V goes below 11.6V.

3.) Crap PSUs (which seem to be what you're working with) are simply dangerous to run, because in addition to crap voltage regulation they can provide out of spec ripple (microsecond fluctuations in voltage) which can damage components, and if a crap PSU fails it's unlikely that it has the necessary protections to prevent your system from being totally fried.



Summary: DON'T DO IT
Edited by Phaedrus2129 - 1/27/11 at 8:43am
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1.) That Apex PSU is a piece of crap and you should NOT run any computer on it PERIOD. Kill it with fire and spend more than $10 on your next PSU. The AGI is also a piece of crap. The HEC is slightly better, but still pretty poor.


2.) Most power supplies under $70 and all cheap generic PSUs use what's called group regulation, where +12V and +5V share the same regulation coil. This means if you have a heavy load on the +12V, but none on the +5V (like when running a graphics card) the +12V voltage will drop and +5V voltage will spike. +12V may drop as low as 11.2V on a poor design if no +5V load is present. ATX specification requires +12V be above 11.4V; I have observed instability in systems when +12V goes below 11.6V.

3.) Crap PSUs (which seem to be what you're working with) are simply dangerous to run, because in addition to crap voltage regulation they can provide out of spec ripple (microsecond fluctuations in voltage) which can damage components, and if a crap PSU fails it's unlikely that it has the necessary protections to prevent your system from being totally fried.



Summary: DON'T DO IT
I'm not going to use it on the backup system(below), I'm going to use with my main sig rig(hidden)
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Regardless, everything I've said holds true. You're endangering your hundreds of dollars worth of hardware. Trash both of those power supplies and spend $50-$80 on a quality PSU.
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What hardware runs on the +5v rail?
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Regardless, everything I've said holds true. You're endangering your hundreds of dollars worth of hardware. Trash both of those power supplies and spend $50-$80 on a quality PSU.
This. You haven't posted a single PSU, or even two that you could combine, that would power a rig properly. Kill them all with fire, and buy a decent 400w PSU.
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How about something with the brand "imaster"?
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How about something with the brand "imaster"?
Phaedrus2129 is the man that knows his PSU's. Honestly, it sounds to me like you NEED a new PSU. Just because your rig is "working" doesn't mean you're not slowly killing your components from ripple. Maybe you could set aside some of your budget for a better PSU, and link us to the sites you can buy from, and we can find something that'll work well.

If you can get an Antec Neo ECO 400w / 430w (I forget which it is), that's usually the best bang for the buck cheap PSU here.
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Corsair Vengeance K95 RGB [ MX Brown ] Seasonic X760 NZXT Swtich 810 Black Logitech G402 
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Razer Goliathus Alpha Control / Steelseries Qck... Sennheiser HD 429 Creative Inspire T7900 ASUS Xonar DGX 
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NZXT Sentry LX NZXT Sleeved LED Kit | Orange 2M 
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Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2200 MSI 945GCM5-F V2 (FSB 1333) Inno3D Nvidia GeForce GTS 450 1GB (Cooler Ripoff) Benq DVD-R,CD-R,DVD-ROM,CD-ROM 
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Intel Stock Fan MAG InnoVision 770FS Logitech Internet Pro AcBel R8 PowerII 650W 80+ 
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Vertu Santa Fe "Blue" Logitech Internet Pro CM Storm Pad Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 
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Crucial MX100 256GB Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB [ WD5000AAKX ] Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB [ WD10EZEX ] Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB [ WD10EARS ] 
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Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB [ WD10EARS ] Corsair H100i Push&Pull Corsair SP120L PWM [ 2X] [ H100i ] Corsair SP120 PWM High Peformance [ 2X ][ H100 i] 
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NZXT FN 140RB [4X][Case] Cooler Master Sickleflow 120 Red [ 2X ][ Case ] Windows 10 Pro x64 Samsung B2230 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K95 RGB [ MX Brown ] Seasonic X760 NZXT Swtich 810 Black Logitech G402 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Razer Goliathus Alpha Control / Steelseries Qck... Sennheiser HD 429 Creative Inspire T7900 ASUS Xonar DGX 
OtherOther
NZXT Sentry LX NZXT Sleeved LED Kit | Orange 2M 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsOptical Drive
Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2200 MSI 945GCM5-F V2 (FSB 1333) Inno3D Nvidia GeForce GTS 450 1GB (Cooler Ripoff) Benq DVD-R,CD-R,DVD-ROM,CD-ROM 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
Intel Stock Fan MAG InnoVision 770FS Logitech Internet Pro AcBel R8 PowerII 650W 80+ 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Vertu Santa Fe "Blue" Logitech Internet Pro CM Storm Pad Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 
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