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Poll Results: Which is better for image quality?

 
  • 59% (37)
    IPS
  • 33% (21)
    Plasma
  • 6% (4)
    Same
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post #41 of 44
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Originally Posted by RoddimusPrime;12211526 
So..... if burn in is not much of an issue (and these days I don't see it as one... esp. with screen savers...., and looking at it from a performance standpoint as well as image quality, do the plasmas beat out an IPS panel? For instance I know gaming will. However, will a 40" calibrated Plasma have better image quality for things like photography/graphic design? And I ask this assuming you don't have to spend 2k+ to get an ultra high end Plasma to do so. I am seeking relative price to performance value.

I know a plasma typically will not have any adjusted features, but I can just get a wall mount for that..... biggrin.gif ...... however, if I am looking at the U2711 for instance or even the U30 then I am looking at an MSRP of $1100 - $1500. Of course I will look for sales either way. But, I just have to step back and ask myself... in that price range can I get something that is better quality or at least matching quality in a Plasma? And if I can then I will go to a more appropriate forum to see what I should be looking for given my intent.

Ok first of all, yes for gaming plasma TVs are incontestably better. It's not even worth comparing them if that's all you're gonna use it for. So everything from here on is when not gaming.

But you've got some very important things to keep in mind when it comes to photo/design work:

1) The smallest plasma I think you can get is 40" (if they even make them that small anymore). If 1920x1080 is it's native resolution, it would give you a dot pitch of 0.42mm. That's like running a 20" display at 960x540. You'd have to keep it several feet away from you, somewhere around 6-8 feet, for it to look halfway decent. A U3011 needs less than half of that, so the resulting effect is that the U3011 looks bigger (because it's closer). You'll also need to keep the top of the screen at/near eye-level, so setting it up on a desk is out of the question. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but you just have to make sure you have the space to use it comfortably.

2) Chances are that 1920x1080 isn't the native res and that it's scaled, because companies aren't going to use different sized phosphors for different sized sets because of manufacturing costs. And scaled images are never 100% accurate.

3) TVs expect RGB values of only 16-235 over HDMI, resulting in either clipping or some sort of conversion (with color loss of course). You can get around this by connecting through VGA, but then (at least on every TV I've ever seen) it gets limited to the sRGB gamut.

4) If you get a U3011 (among other choices) you can run it in 10-bit color with displayport. You can't do this with a TV. It's only worth it for photography though IMO, not even graphic design, because DSLRs can capture 10-bit photos.


Now, compared to lower end monitors these points are all moot (except the scaling, but that's a small price to pay for the benefits IMO). I mean, it's not like you can complain about sRGB over VGA when no low end monitor is wide gamut to begin with. But no TV is a substitute for a high end monitor if you actually need one.
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measurably, monitors always beat TVs in colour accuracy so IPS really.
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Originally Posted by Manyak;12213826 
Ok first of all, yes for gaming plasma TVs are incontestably better. It's not even worth comparing them if that's all you're gonna use it for. So everything from here on is when not gaming.

But you've got some very important things to keep in mind when it comes to photo/design work:

1) The smallest plasma I think you can get is 40" (if they even make them that small anymore). If 1920x1080 is it's native resolution, it would give you a dot pitch of 0.42mm. That's like running a 20" display at 960x540. You'd have to keep it several feet away from you, somewhere around 6-8 feet, for it to look halfway decent. A U3011 needs less than half of that, so the resulting effect is that the U3011 looks bigger (because it's closer). You'll also need to keep the top of the screen at/near eye-level, so setting it up on a desk is out of the question. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but you just have to make sure you have the space to use it comfortably.

2) Chances are that 1920x1080 isn't the native res and that it's scaled, because companies aren't going to use different sized phosphors for different sized sets because of manufacturing costs. And scaled images are never 100% accurate.

3) TVs expect RGB values of only 16-235 over HDMI, resulting in either clipping or some sort of conversion (with color loss of course). You can get around this by connecting through VGA, but then (at least on every TV I've ever seen) it gets limited to the sRGB gamut.

4) If you get a U3011 (among other choices) you can run it in 10-bit color with displayport. You can't do this with a TV. It's only worth it for photography though IMO, not even graphic design, because DSLRs can capture 10-bit photos.


Now, compared to lower end monitors these points are all moot (except the scaling, but that's a small price to pay for the benefits IMO). I mean, it's not like you can complain about sRGB over VGA when no low end monitor is wide gamut to begin with. But no TV is a substitute for a high end monitor if you actually need one.

Thanks for the info. I would rep you if I could. I guess one thing I keep in the back of my mind is that the majority of people I know don't desire to watch movies on a small screen so why would a computer experience be any different? The colors are astounding on a plasma for blu ray and 1080p content. And while the pixel density isn't as good it still looks superb. True, you will not want to sit close to a large TV. You will see artifacts easier, but I would never give up a home theater in place of a PC monitor. Never. Then again, it is designed for TV, movies, and games. I will stick to movies being best on a TV. It is a better experience (esp. for more than one person) than a monitor will ever be. So that is my stick with a TV even though the size means less pixel density, to me the movie still looks rather good. This again though can be due to how the film is shot (different films are shot in different aspects and with different quality cameras). So I do realize there is give and take and that for movies and games I doubt anyone will disagree that the TV is where it is at (esp. plasma).

I plan on buying a DSLR and thus I wonder if a U2711 or better will be the way to go given I will want to work with photos eventually and I already do graphic and web design. It is just hard to swallow the current price tags. The Apple Cinemas seem alright too, but given the display options, and the lack of control of the picture unless you are using a Mac puts me in a non Mac monitor camp. And of course it seems everyone says the Dell's are best IPS monitors minus maybe high end NEC monitors (although I would never buy a Dell computer). I have seen viewsonic IPS panels though.

I have two questions at this point. Out of the IPS panels out there which would be your top two choices? And secondly will e-IPS vs a regular IPS panel mean much of a difference in all practical use?
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Originally Posted by RoddimusPrime;12215743 
Thanks for the info. I would rep you if I could. I guess one thing I keep in the back of my mind is that the majority of people I know don't desire to watch movies on a small screen so why would a computer experience be any different? The colors are astounding on a plasma for blu ray and 1080p content. And while the pixel density isn't as good it still looks superb. True, you will not want to sit close to a large TV. You will see artifacts easier, but I would never give up a home theater in place of a PC monitor. Never. Then again, it is designed for TV, movies, and games. I will stick to movies being best on a TV. It is a better experience (esp. for more than one person) than a monitor will ever be. So that is my stick with a TV even though the size means less pixel density, to me the movie still looks rather good. This again though can be due to how the film is shot (different films are shot in different aspects and with different quality cameras). So I do realize there is give and take and that for movies and games I doubt anyone will disagree that the TV is where it is at (esp. plasma).

Absolutely. Even from a technical standpoint, any benefits a high end monitor might have over a TV become moot because the video content doesn't take advantage of it. It's editing that video that turns it into a whole different ballgame.
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Originally Posted by RoddimusPrime;12215743 
I plan on buying a DSLR and thus I wonder if a U2711 or better will be the way to go given I will want to work with photos eventually and I already do graphic and web design. It is just hard to swallow the current price tags. The Apple Cinemas seem alright too, but given the display options, and the lack of control of the picture unless you are using a Mac puts me in a non Mac monitor camp. And of course it seems everyone says the Dell's are best IPS monitors minus maybe high end NEC monitors (although I would never buy a Dell computer). I have seen viewsonic IPS panels though.

I have two questions at this point. Out of the IPS panels out there which would be your top two choices? And secondly will e-IPS vs a regular IPS panel mean much of a difference in all practical use?

If regardless of price, my top two choices would be the LaCie 730 and Eizo CG303W, in that order. But that's like asking what I think the best processor is and then me telling you the IBM z196 smile.gif.

But back on earth, it really depends on your budget (part of which you should use for a calibrator if you don't have one by the way, but that's for a whole different thread). Staying in the lower $1k range, my top picks would be between the U3011 or ZR30w if you want size and/or less lag (for gaming or whatever), and the NEC PA271W if you want a better image (there's an option to buy it with a custom calibrator, which is worth it). Then going down the scale, in order, are the PA241W, the U2410, and lastly the U2311. All depending on how much you want to pay.

As for your question about e-IPS, the answer is yes. Not just because of the panels, but because the whole purpose of e-IPS is to be cheap and so the design of the rest of the monitors are cheap as well. You get more banding, backlight bleed, and so on. And no e-IPS screen I know of is wide gamut either. The difference is quite obvious.
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