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i believe the user's point you are responding to is that a creator is not responsible for the decisions of others. the consumer making that decision should be the one held responsible. anyone suggesting otherwise should be put in the ostracized from society. the pdople suggesting otherwise are the ones who have created this whole quandry by not upholding personal responsibility. essentially your either have the choice of having more freedom to do what you want while also having the personal responsibility to face the consequences of your actions or you can choose the path of the user that i have quoted which is one of less personal accountability due to the decisions already having been made for them.

sorry for any typos. i typed this all up on my phone.
Except he released it knowing full well what was going to happen. Did he release it? Yes. Every hacker out there will continue to hack the PS3 until Sony decides to release their new hardware. Piracy is now possible on the system, and PS3 games will require serials because of it (for online play, i guess?). Now it's going to be like the PC, with serials and other DRM garbage.

Of course he's responsible. To say otherwise is just pure idiocy.
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post #102 of 137
Sony is just good at making themselves a bait. They claim to be able to fight back hackers. Thats like trying to shut down 4chan.
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I love how everibe feeks to forget why Sony removed Other Os...
because GeohHot cracked it open!
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I love how everibe feeks to forget why Sony removed Other Os...
because GeohHot cracked it open!
what?
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post #105 of 137
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couldn't sony some how make it where only the ps3 sees the firmware update link? maybe that would slow hackers? Though they'd have to take down the PC downloadable version down..
Ya man, I'm sure that would work.
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wow this is just getting silly, at what point are they just going to give up
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post #107 of 137
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Except he released it knowing full well what was going to happen. Did he release it? Yes. Every hacker out there will continue to hack the PS3 until Sony decides to release their new hardware. Piracy is now possible on the system, and PS3 games will require serials because of it (for online play, i guess?). Now it's going to be like the PC, with serials and other DRM garbage.

Of course he's responsible. To say otherwise is just pure idiocy.
exactly. i don't mind hacking to test your skill but doing it to ruin a product is so juvenille.
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post #108 of 137
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Of course Winchester isn't responsible. The gun dealer would be if they failed to perform a proper thorough background check. Winchesters/bullets also don't contain any intellectual property software last I heard. If you do want to insist on the gun metaphor, it is illegal to equip a gun with a silencer. Didn't you buy the gun just as you buy a PS3 and feel you have the right to tear it apart? You need a license to buy a gun. By getting that license, you are agreeing to a whole slew of laws, no different from the agreement you make when buying a PS3 and agreeing to the license agreement to use PS3's software.
You're grasping at straws here.

Winchester rifles are patented, but you can still do whatever you want with them, within the law.

Just like you can do whatever you want with your console, within the law, the law stating you cannot pirate software. So hacking your PS3 is perfectly legal, but using the hack to pirate software is not. Just as murdering somebody with your Winchester rifle is not legal.

If the EULA on the PS3 states that you cannot hack the PS3 to do things like homebrew, then that part of the EULA is invalid, as the courts have essentially said you can do what you want with your hardware (including putting your own software on it).

I find it amusing when people bring up EULAs (happens all the time on OCN for some reason), as if they actually hold some some authority above the law.
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post #109 of 137
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exactly. i don't mind hacking to test your skill but doing it to ruin a product is so juvenille.
...but he didn't personally ruin anything. It's the choice of others to do so.

That's like saying motherboard makers are juvenille because they allow us to ruin CPU's with overvoltage. Your blame is in the wrong place, it's the end user that makes the decision to "ruin a product".
    
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post #110 of 137
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I find it amusing when people bring up EULAs (happens all the time on OCN for some reason), as if they actually hold some some authority above the law.
Thank you!! People forget that when a contract, the EULA, conflicts with the law the contract loses. I could put in a EULA anyone that agrees with it is my slave. However, as most countries have outlawed slavery my EULA would be stricken down, at least that part of it.
    
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