Originally Posted by daduckman
full of fail
1)nics checks are in no way thorough
2)suppresors/silencers or whatever you want to call them are perfectly legal in the vast majority of states and equiping said equipment is perfectly kosher. look up the nfa.
3) only a handful of states require a license to buy a gun. most states a resident of legal age can just go in and fill out the proper form and purchase the firearm. the form is strictly for the nics check, not a registration or for a license.
4) no one agrees to abide by any laws when purchasing firearms. tthe decision is made to not abide or abide by them is ones own choice and sometimes that is a day by day decision. but if the decision to not abide by them is made the consequences can be very severe.
i believe the user's point you are responding to is that a creator is not responsible for the decisions of others. the consumer making that decision should be the one held responsible. anyone suggesting otherwise should be put in the ostracized from society. the pdople suggesting otherwise are the ones who have created this whole quandry by not upholding personal responsibility. essentially your either have the choice of having more freedom to do what you want while also having the personal responsibility to face the consequences of your actions or you can choose the path of the user that i have quoted which is one of less personal accountability due to the decisions already having been made for them.
sorry for any typos. i typed this all up on my phone.
You took my point way too literal. But I'll tag along.
Just as you mentioned, in order to legally equip a suppressor, you need to obtain an additional license, aka permission, which is typically about $200 as a tax. Just as you would require extra "special" permission from Sony to decompile their software. When you purchase a PS3, you're not agreeing to anything, just like you're saying when you purchase a gun. However, you still do have to abide by real world laws. For a gun, you can't just go out and kill people. For a PS3, you can't just tear apart Sony's intellectual property, bypass their security, and on top of that distribute the exploit to millions of people. All that talk about people knowing they are responsible for the consequences of their actions points back straight at Geo. He KNEW very well (don't even argue it) that his exploit would induce worldwide pirating. He went ahead and did it, and now hopefully law will take its course and he'll get his consequences.
Since guns and a video game system is pretty lolworthy comparison that many don't cease to bring up on OCN, I just had to use imagery with it in the only way possible. Now you're starting to get into ridiculous details like "lol you don't need a license in like 5 states and only in X states you need them."
On the EULA comments, you guys are failing to see that Sony isn't fighting about modifying the hardware. I completely agree that it's fine to develop apps for a phone or any kind of neat gadget we have now, but only where it is LEGAL. Their EULA is within the law, protecting their intellectual property rights. There's a reason we have open-source and closed-source software. What purpose would the two categories serve if it's totally fine to tear apart any and all closed-source software? The biggest concern over all of this is that Geohot CIRCUMVENTED security encryption, and those who feel this is totally fine just boggle me. This isn't just a "lol dude he just made a little app on the PS3" situation.
Edit: I'll be backing away from this thread now. It has de-railed off the topic of the new firmware. I gladly will be back to get a good laugh at more gun reads though.Edited by Stealth Pyros - 1/29/11 at 10:47am