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Originally Posted by Tufelhunden View Post
Thank you!! People forget that when a contract, the EULA, conflicts with the law the contract loses. I could put in a EULA anyone that agrees with it is my slave. However, as most countries have outlawed slavery my EULA would be stricken down, at least that part of it.
People also forget that he distributed licensed software which is against the law. It's not that he did it, it's that he did it and distributed it.
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Massive FAIL again.
   
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...but he didn't personally ruin anything. It's the choice of others to do so.

That's like saying motherboard makers are juvenille because they allow us to ruin CPU's with overvoltage. Your blame is in the wrong place, it's the end user that makes the decision to "ruin a product".
He shares some of that blame too, make no mistake about it.

Its like distributing the codes to the world's safest safe but not stealing any of the contents within it; completely unapologetic to the fact that someone will still the contents of that safe.

There is no logical reason to hack the PS3. So Sony removed OtherOS so that you can't run Linux on it, who cares? Linux would run faster on a Pentium 3 processor than it would on PS3. So what sort of productivity was he looking to achieve?

This is was just a platform for him to vaunt his technical prowess to gain some sort of fame. Unfortunately for PS3 games, it worked at the expensive of intrusive DRM and possibly piracy.
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I'm guessing the Sony devs changed the "random" number from 4 to 5.
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full of fail
1)nics checks are in no way thorough
2)suppresors/silencers or whatever you want to call them are perfectly legal in the vast majority of states and equiping said equipment is perfectly kosher. look up the nfa.
3) only a handful of states require a license to buy a gun. most states a resident of legal age can just go in and fill out the proper form and purchase the firearm. the form is strictly for the nics check, not a registration or for a license.
4) no one agrees to abide by any laws when purchasing firearms. tthe decision is made to not abide or abide by them is ones own choice and sometimes that is a day by day decision. but if the decision to not abide by them is made the consequences can be very severe.

i believe the user's point you are responding to is that a creator is not responsible for the decisions of others. the consumer making that decision should be the one held responsible. anyone suggesting otherwise should be put in the ostracized from society. the pdople suggesting otherwise are the ones who have created this whole quandry by not upholding personal responsibility. essentially your either have the choice of having more freedom to do what you want while also having the personal responsibility to face the consequences of your actions or you can choose the path of the user that i have quoted which is one of less personal accountability due to the decisions already having been made for them.

sorry for any typos. i typed this all up on my phone.
You took my point way too literal. But I'll tag along.

Just as you mentioned, in order to legally equip a suppressor, you need to obtain an additional license, aka permission, which is typically about $200 as a tax. Just as you would require extra "special" permission from Sony to decompile their software. When you purchase a PS3, you're not agreeing to anything, just like you're saying when you purchase a gun. However, you still do have to abide by real world laws. For a gun, you can't just go out and kill people. For a PS3, you can't just tear apart Sony's intellectual property, bypass their security, and on top of that distribute the exploit to millions of people. All that talk about people knowing they are responsible for the consequences of their actions points back straight at Geo. He KNEW very well (don't even argue it) that his exploit would induce worldwide pirating. He went ahead and did it, and now hopefully law will take its course and he'll get his consequences.

Since guns and a video game system is pretty lolworthy comparison that many don't cease to bring up on OCN, I just had to use imagery with it in the only way possible. Now you're starting to get into ridiculous details like "lol you don't need a license in like 5 states and only in X states you need them."

On the EULA comments, you guys are failing to see that Sony isn't fighting about modifying the hardware. I completely agree that it's fine to develop apps for a phone or any kind of neat gadget we have now, but only where it is LEGAL. Their EULA is within the law, protecting their intellectual property rights. There's a reason we have open-source and closed-source software. What purpose would the two categories serve if it's totally fine to tear apart any and all closed-source software? The biggest concern over all of this is that Geohot CIRCUMVENTED security encryption, and those who feel this is totally fine just boggle me. This isn't just a "lol dude he just made a little app on the PS3" situation.

Edit: I'll be backing away from this thread now. It has de-railed off the topic of the new firmware. I gladly will be back to get a good laugh at more gun reads though.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 1/29/11 at 10:47am
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post #116 of 137
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I'm guessing the Sony devs changed the "random" number from 4 to 5.
voice! I havent seen or spoken to you in ages. Hows it going?

They didnt change the random number, they just have a new set of keys. They haven't actually hacked the new keys yet contrary to the news post and what everyone thinks for some reason.
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There is no logical reason to hack the PS3. So Sony removed OtherOS so that you can't run Linux on it, who cares?
Um... read this a few times.
    
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LOL im still laughing that $ony filed for an (illegal) restraining order against this guy AND THE INTERNET!!!
Illegal? What exactly do you know about the law?
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LOL im still laughing that $ony filed for an (illegal) restraining order against this guy AND THE INTERNET!!!
if its so illegal, then why did the court approve it?
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FYI FW3.55 consoles (hacked and un-hacked alike) are still getting on PSN. Sony always neglects to change the dns trick after minor FW updates.
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