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I know. If you haven't followed along with my posts everytime the Geohot situation springs up, I've been in favor of Sony. I'm GLAD that their cease order went through. I was in full support of them stopping that moron, and I'm by no means a huge Sony fan. I hope that he has to work for the rest of his life to pay Sony.
Ridiculous I am all for software licensing, but sony sales PS3s as hardware and we should be able to do whatever we want with them, if in turn that ends up "cracking" the system then people who illegally use pirated games should be prosecuted, but once you buy hardware its yours and you should be able to do what you want with it.

And I know firmware you might say is software, but since Sony makes it essential to use the system, IMO, it is part of the system.
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I'm a PC gamer, now don't get me wrong. I have a PS3 and the G/f has a Wii. but i have noticed that PC games deemed to have taken a dump as far as options and Exclusives for the more "secure" consoles. I just hope this wakes all developers up to the fact that it's all software and hardware. Sony had a good run 5 years, that's incredible good for them. BUT i hope that this makes it so that MY platform the PC gets to become more mainstream again.

When i bought my PS3 it has something written on the box "Other OS" and i consider that as being advertised. that was taken away from me with out compensation. For the amount i use my PS3 as a PS3, I'll just by a Blueray Player instead of the PS4. If a new MetalGear games comes out I'll borrow a console and play it. I'm not supporting dishonest, and that how i see it. "Bait and switch" as far as im concerned..

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I know. If you haven't followed along with my posts everytime the Geohot situation springs up, I've been in favor of Sony. I'm GLAD that their cease order went through. I was in full support of them stopping that moron, and I'm by no means a huge Sony fan. I hope that he has to work for the rest of his life to pay Sony.
I was just abit confused by that comment that's all The way I see it is Sony did it right. I mean, it took 5yrs to hack. Eventually everything gets hacked but 5yrs that took awhile lol. I hope though they can straiten this out and keep the PS3 secure. No mess like the other console. I still think that if they hadn't have removed the Other OS feature this wouldn't have come about. Atleast not for a much longer time. One things for certain, If I ever need any security on any device Ill be looking up Sony to lock it down cause this has been a impressive run
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Looks like kmeaw who made the cfw 3.55 that ran unsigned packages got a DMCA takedown notice a few mins ago.
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Ridiculous I am all for software licensing, but sony sales PS3s as hardware and we should be able to do whatever we want with them, if in turn that ends up "cracking" the system then people who illegally use pirated games should be prosecuted, but once you buy hardware its yours and you should be able to do what you want with it.

And I know firmware you might say is software, but since Sony makes it essential to use the system, IMO, it is part of the system.
I respect your view but have to disagree. If you were in Sony's shoes or anyone trying to protect their intellectual property you would completely feel you're within your right.

I don't debate the hardware aspect. Do whatever you want with your PS3 hardware. Disassemble the entire unit and run the console on a workbench like you would a PC. Throw everything into a 360 shell or even an audio receiver. That part is probably all fine under the terms you agree to when you purchase a PS3. Disassembling/reverse engineering/bypassing DRM and ANY other encryption that Sony has placed on there is not. When you open your PS3 packaging and turn it on you are accepting the terms of agreement for using a PS3. You are allowed to use a PS3 only under those conditions and if you violate anything, you are completely SOL on your own legally. You don't own the software, you license it, just as you license Windows/any other PC software. You don't OWN Windows. You own the right to use it within its terms of agreement. Had Geohot not released his tools to several million people, it would have been totally fine as Sony wouldn't know about it or couldn't care less if one person cracked the code. The largest issue is that; he handed the tools out to the public knowing VERY well that it would lead to piracy, and in that case, Sony has every right to file suit for revenue damages and I hope that they do. Geohot "sabotaged" the PS3 game market by opening the opportunity for millions of games to be pirated for the PS3. It doesn't matter if HE didn't pirate any games at all; he distributed the software that can allow millions of others to do so.

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When i bought my PS3 it has something written on the box "Other OS" and i consider that as being advertised. that was taken away from me with out compensation.
that's just my
Ehhh... would you mind snapping me a photo of Sony ever using "Other OS" as an advertisement for the PS3? Or even finding one online...
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I respect your view but have to disagree. If you were in Sony's shoes or anyone trying to protect their intellectual property you would completely feel you're within your right.

I don't debate the hardware aspect. Do whatever you want with your PS3 hardware. Disassemble the entire unit and run the console on a workbench like you would a PC. Throw everything into a 360 shell or even an audio receiver. That part is probably all fine under the terms you agree to when you purchase a PS3. Disassembling/reverse engineering/bypassing DRM and ANY other encryption that Sony has placed on there is not. When you open your PS3 packaging and turn it on you are accepting the terms of agreement for using a PS3. You are allowed to use a PS3 only under those conditions and if you violate anything, you are completely SOL on your own legally. Had Geohot not released his tools to several million people, it would have been totally fine as Sony wouldn't know about it or couldn't care less if one person cracked the code. The largest issue is that; he handed the tools out to the public knowing VERY well that it would lead to piracy, and in that case, Sony has every right to file suit for revenue damages and I hope that they do. Geohot "sabotaged" the PS3 game market by opening the opportunity for millions of games to be pirated for the PS3. It doesn't matter if HE didn't pirate any games at all; he distributed the software that can allow millions of others to do so.



Ehhh... would you mind snapping me a photo of Sony ever using "Other OS" as an advertisement for the PS3? Or even finding one online...

Just because Winchester made the Bullet and the Gun does not make them responsible for what people do with them....

I'm sorry but i have to disagree, i see your point i just don't agree. Every day we have to make decisions for ourselves. one man shouldn't be punished for the actions of others.
 
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Geohot "sabotaged" the PS3 game market by opening the opportunity for millions of games to be pirated for the PS3. It doesn't matter if HE didn't pirate any games at all; he distributed the software that can allow millions of others to do so.
And the real kicker here is masterpiece high dollar games like Uncharted 2, GOW3, GT5, list goes on can be obtained and operated for free. In this generation game development is crazy expensive and some of these games undoubtedly deserve every penny aked IMO. Also, when publishers like Activision are sayin "hey, fix it or were cutting off Online for COD BO" that hurts honest consumers who paid maybe all the extra income they had to play that one game online with friends etc and then can't cause some jerk weed threw a wrench in the system.

This is what I think hurts our platform "The PC" the most and why Dev's are shying away from it. It's not the only reason but its huge none the less.
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Just because Winchester made the Bullet and the Gun does not make them responsible for what people do with them.
Of course Winchester isn't responsible. The gun dealer would be if they failed to perform a proper thorough background check. Winchesters/bullets also don't contain any intellectual property software last I heard. If you do want to insist on the gun metaphor, it is illegal to equip a gun with a silencer. Didn't you buy the gun just as you buy a PS3 and feel you have the right to tear it apart? You need a license to buy a gun. By getting that license, you are agreeing to a whole slew of laws, no different from the agreement you make when buying a PS3 and agreeing to the license agreement to use PS3's software.
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Ehhh... would you mind snapping me a photo of Sony ever using "Other OS" as an advertisement for the PS3? Or even finding one online...
It seriously was on the box. My older 80GB says it on the back. Just in tiny print
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It seriously was on the box. My older 80GB says it on the back. Just in tiny print
Yea, pretty sure you misread that or didn't read it at all. Tiny print in the license agreement is in no way an advertisement. It probably mentioned that Sony reserves the right to update their software and remove features at any given time.
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