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Yea, pretty sure you misread that or didn't read it at all. Tiny print in the license agreement is in no way an advertisement. It probably mentioned that Sony reserves the right to update their software and remove features at any given time.
It was still there. And that's what he asked for
EDIT: infact, im sure it was listed someplace under features but my box is buried in the attic. Maybe its on Google some place
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/04/...ss-action-suit According to that it was used as a reason the PS3 was so expensive initially. They touted it as more than a game console but a Computer
Edited by Captain318 - 1/28/11 at 7:50am
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It was still there. And that's what he asked for
My apologies, now you're breaking it down too deeply So to correct my response:

"When i bought my PS3 it has something written on the box "Other OS" and i consider that as being advertised."

Yea, it did mention the "Other OS" feature in fine print, but that was not an advertisement. If you'd like to debate that, please do so but post the entire segment where it's mentioned.

One of the last updates in the class action against Sony for removing the Other OS feature was from September:

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Also, the last nail in the coffin seems to be the fact that the plaintiffs have failed to produce any sort of marketing/advertising material issued by Sony referencing ‘Other OS’ feature.

Sony points out that the plaintiffs have not provided much evidence.

Instead, it includes a mix of quotes drawn from obscure articles and unrelated third party publications, and a smattering of out of context and incomplete references to a few pages of SCEA’s website and user manual.

With most of the plaintiffs never having utilized ‘Other OS’ properly and the fact that they have failed to reproduce any advertisement of the feature, it appears that the whole ‘bait and switch’ argument is void.

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My apologies, now you're breaking it down too deeply So to correct my response:

"When i bought my PS3 it has something written on the box "Other OS" and i consider that as being advertised."

Yea, it did mention the "Other OS" feature in fine print, but that was not an advertisement. If you'd like to debate that, please do so but post the entire segment where it's mentioned.
Well i'll let sleeping dog's lye since it's getting off topic Like I said though, I think the removal of that is what started this whole mess
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My apologies, now you're breaking it down too deeply So to correct my response:

"When i bought my PS3 it has something written on the box "Other OS" and i consider that as being advertised."

Yea, it did mention the "Other OS" feature in fine print, but that was not an advertisement. If you'd like to debate that, please do so but post the entire segment where it's mentioned.

One of the last updates in the class action against Sony for removing the Other OS feature was from September:
So your saying i could be the owner such proof : )
 
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I respect your view but have to disagree. If you were in Sony's shoes or anyone trying to protect their intellectual property you would completely feel you're within your right.

I don't debate the hardware aspect. Do whatever you want with your PS3 hardware. Disassemble the entire unit and run the console on a workbench like you would a PC. Throw everything into a 360 shell or even an audio receiver. That part is probably all fine under the terms you agree to when you purchase a PS3. Disassembling/reverse engineering/bypassing DRM and ANY other encryption that Sony has placed on there is not. When you open your PS3 packaging and turn it on you are accepting the terms of agreement for using a PS3. You are allowed to use a PS3 only under those conditions and if you violate anything, you are completely SOL on your own legally. You don't own the software, you license it, just as you license Windows/any other PC software. You don't OWN Windows. You own the right to use it within its terms of agreement. Had Geohot not released his tools to several million people, it would have been totally fine as Sony wouldn't know about it or couldn't care less if one person cracked the code. The largest issue is that; he handed the tools out to the public knowing VERY well that it would lead to piracy, and in that case, Sony has every right to file suit for revenue damages and I hope that they do. Geohot "sabotaged" the PS3 game market by opening the opportunity for millions of games to be pirated for the PS3. It doesn't matter if HE didn't pirate any games at all; he distributed the software that can allow millions of others to do so.



Ehhh... would you mind snapping me a photo of Sony ever using "Other OS" as an advertisement for the PS3? Or even finding one online...
This.
I don't know how many times I've tried saying this before in similar threads, and everyone passes a brick. Now, lets start counting all the bad analogies people will come up with to try to disprove Sony's case, like guns/bullets.

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Well i'll let sleeping dog's lye since it's getting off topic Like I said though, I think the removal of that is what started this whole mess
Yeah, in a way.
They removed OtherOS to prevent piracy. Once that was removed, oh lawd George can't pirate games anymore. So, create a crack that will allow piracy, claim it is for a legitimate cause, and then blame it on a removed feature.
It is all a scapegoat. Nothing good could come from releasing those keys. The crack just before the key crack would have been sufficient for homebrew without totally destroying any possible way of preventing piracy. Geo was being an arrogant, inconsiderate ass for what he did, and he completely deserves to be financially and publicly destroyed.
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It was still there. And that's what he asked for
EDIT: infact, im sure it was listed someplace under features but my box is buried in the attic. Maybe its on Google some place
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/04/...ss-action-suit According to that it was used as a reason the PS3 was so expensive initially. They touted it as more than a game console but a Computer
Oh, wait a minute. Ok. Now I found these details:

Even if Other OS was in huge bold print and said "Buy a PS3, it offers an Other OS feature!" The terms of agreement state they can alter and remove any features through software updates. So, you bought the product, it did have the advertised feature, but they removed it years later due to security issues. Sounds pretty fair and legitimate to me.

(Quote from a comment in your link)

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While this is true, that isn't what they're suing for. They're not suing for false advertising, but breach of contract. Since there was no express or implied contract stating that an advertised feature would never be removed, it really isn't breach of contract.
I really don't mean to play devil's advocate at all here, but everyone who feels Geohot/anyone has every right to break the code in the PS3 (in addition, releasing the tools allowing millions of people to do so) is living in their own world.
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Tiny print in the license agreement is in no way an advertisement.
Just because something is fine print doesn't mean it isn't an "advertisement". Anything on the box has equal meaning, regardless of size. The same thing applies to contracts where all the stuff a lawyer doesn't want you to see is in the smallest legible font. That small print is equal to each and every other line in the document(s).
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WOW.. already?
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Misleading article and title, 3.56 was NOT hacked and it can't be used for homebrew or anything else(yet,most likely some other dev will hack it).

KaKaRoToKS is not working on it he just released a few things, far from a working CFW though.
http://twitter.com/KaKaRoToKS/status...19204785512448
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Misleading article and title, 3.56 was NOT hacked and it can't be used for homebrew or anything else(yet,most likely some other dev will hack it).

KaKaRoToKS is not working on it he just released a few things, far from a working CFW though.
http://twitter.com/KaKaRoToKS/status...19204785512448
Good. I hope that they're able to patch the hole up. That would mean Geohot is either facing prison time or serious fees for nothing. Many will still hold off on updating and just continue pirating, but they won't be able to access PSN.
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