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I don't get the whole thing about having serial keys with new titles. If people throw up games to be pirated, can't they just include the serial of their own copy?
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I don't get the whole thing about having serial keys with new titles. If people throw up games to be pirated, can't they just include the serial of their own copy?
And have the entire serial banned? What good would that do?
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And have the entire serial banned? What good would that do?
How would it be banned? I'm hoping that you don't have to be online to enter the serial for a new game you just bought. That would prevent everyone with a PS3 that doesn't have it online from playing their legitimately purchased games. With a homebrew'd PS3 you can't get online now with 3.55, so I fail to see how it's going to work.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 1/28/11 at 11:37am
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How would it be banned? I'm hoping that you don't have to be online to enter the serial for a new game you just bought. That would prevent everyone with a PS3 that doesn't have it online from playing their legitimately purchased games.
Then why would it include a serial?

It's the same with Microsoft or Adobe product keys. You enter a key that's already used by someone else, it's invalid and you can't use the product.

Pretty simple.

And before anyone blames Sony or calls them greedy, it's Geo's fault that this happened. Blame him. Without his greed, you'd still be able to buy PS3 games without serials. He screwed you, not Sony.
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Then why would it include a serial?

It's the same with Microsoft or Adobe product keys. You enter a key that's already used by someone else, it's invalid and you can't use the product.

Pretty simple.

And before anyone blames Sony or calls them greedy, it's Geo's fault that this happened. Blame him. Without his greed, you'd still be able to buy PS3 games without serials. He screwed you, not Sony.
I don't think you got my question right.

New PS3 games now will come with a serial key. If you buy a new game, you have to enter the serial key to play the game. My guess is you don't need to be online to enter the serial key, because then all PS3 owners without internet access are left screwed.

If you don't need to be online to enter the key, then the keys can just be included with pirated shares anyways, since you don't need to get online to verify the key or anything. (It's just an algorithmic key) If no one gets online to verify that key (they can't without updating their firmware) then there's no way for the keys to be banned.

With Windows/any other software, if the key's algorithm is right it'll be accepted. Then, if you get online and do a validation check with Windows it'll be detected that your VLK/whatever type key is blacklisted.
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I'm somewhat confused. What source is there for this serial key idea?
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I don't think you got my question right.

New PS3 games now will come with a serial key. If you buy a new game, you have to enter the serial key to play the game. My guess is you don't need to be online to enter the serial key, because then all PS3 owners without internet access are left screwed.

If you don't need to be online to enter the key, then the keys can just be included with pirated shares anyways, since you don't need to get online to verify the key or anything. (It's just an algorithmic key) If no one gets online to verify that key (they can't without updating their firmware) then there's no way for the keys to be banned.

With Windows/any other software, if the key's algorithm is right it'll be accepted. Then, if you get online and do a validation check with Windows it'll be detected that your VLK/whatever type key is blacklisted.
No, I understood your question. My point is, they wouldn't include a Serial # for offline activiation. That's silly. And even if they did allow that, 2 dumbasses somewhere will go online negating the serial. And possibly have their PSN accounts banned.

Trust me, they'll need online activation.
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No, I understood your question. My point is, they wouldn't include a Serial # for offline activiation. That's silly. And even if they did allow that, 2 dumbasses somewhere will go online negating the serial. And possibly have their PSN accounts banned.

Trust me, they'll need online activation.
Oooh ok, so I misunderstood the serial key idea. The serial keys will only be needed for online play, meaning many will still be able to pirate games if they want to play them offline. Sucks for Sony, but they can at least still save their online community from cheats hopefully.

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I'm somewhat confused. What source is there for this serial key idea?
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i bet microsoft are grinning at sony like "yah.. aha... fail."
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Sony, is that the best you can do?
Can you do better?
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Not really, he released the homebrew at the same time that he offered Sony the opportunity to hire him. I've mentioned that THAT'S his most stupid move; how could he expect a job offer from Sony after already releasing his hack? That's not the way things work. Companies typically hire professionals to find security holes and report them directly to their developers, with non-disclosure agreements in their contracts. Pretty useless to hire someone that just revealed your security hole to the entire world before coming to you.

Once he broke the PS3's security, he should have called Sony up, asked to speak to someone about a serious security issue and THEN maybe scheduled a board meeting with them. He'd have a very well paying job, no legal issues, and Sony would be very happy with a still "unhackable" PS3.
Win.
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Then why would it include a serial?

It's the same with Microsoft or Adobe product keys. You enter a key that's already used by someone else, it's invalid and you can't use the product.

Pretty simple.

And before anyone blames Sony or calls them greedy, it's Geo's fault that this happened. Blame him. Without his greed, you'd still be able to buy PS3 games without serials. He screwed you, not Sony.
Win.
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looks like its time for ps4!

EDIT: and this time, HIRE THOSE GUYS!!! they obviously know how to code better than you.
And you have obviously never coded in your life. Reverse engineering code is no where near as hard as writing the original said code.


To everyone laughing at Sony, you act as if you wouldn't do the same if you were in their shoes. Hire him? Really? Would you REALLY hire someone who hacked your system?
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