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Here's a good article on how many cores are needed for gaming:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...o-games-need/1
Looks like dual-core is more than enough in most games. Yes the FPS is a bit lower in some games but not by much, and I doubt it's noticeable.

It's true that games are starting to take advantage of 4 cores, but the key word here is starting. You can see from the link that with literally DOUBLE the processing power (4 cores vs 2 cores) you barely gain anything in most games.

But if we can significantly increase the clockspeeds of current processors, there should be definite increase in performance whereas if we keep adding more and more cores we have to wait for the software developers to write a good game that can actually run fast with parallel processing.
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Huh... no one mentioned the middle ground here. What about x3's? When I originally built my rig I had a very tight budget and wanted a quad. I couldn't quite afford it so I took the next best thing. I've never seen any game run my CPU at 100% usage yet so I think tri core CPUs are a good choice for budget minded gamers. Of course that was a year ago...
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Quad cores are better in gaming than dual cores. It's also a lot easier to remove a bottleneck in an SLI or crossfire setup compared to a dual core.
My E8400(even at 4.14ghz), kept many games (mainly but not limited to tf2, bf:bc2,l4d) from fully utilizing my moderately overclocked gtx460. It was annoying seeing cpu usage at 100% and gpu usage at only 60% .

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I sit here happily with my 6 cores
6 cores... that would be the debate in 2 years or so
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Originally Posted by nist7 View Post
Looks like dual-core is more than enough in most games. Yes the FPS is a bit lower in some games but not by much, and I doubt it's noticeable.

It's true that games are starting to take advantage of 4 cores, but the key word here is starting. You can see from the link that with literally DOUBLE the processing power (4 cores vs 2 cores) you barely gain anything in most games.

But if we can significantly increase the clockspeeds of current processors, there should be definite increase in performance whereas if we keep adding more and more cores we have to wait for the software developers to write a good game that can actually run fast with parallel processing.
I may be unfair in comparing my e8400 to a newer generation 2500k, but what I noticed was the ability for many games (that I play) to use all four cores at roughly 65-70% (shoots up to 90 or so percent with fraps on).

I guess a huge gain I received from upgrading is the ability to have background programs running with nearly no effect on my gaming experience. On a dual core, I could feel the second a program started in the background.

I guess I argued so much is about something I didn't make real clear, that if a cpu bottleneck occurs (gpu not fully used), the difference in performance is huge. If I ran with my old 4850, I doubt I would see such a huge difference - maybe a few fps. But when my gtx460 went from 60% avg usage to 100% with the transition between dual and quad? That, is a big difference.

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Huh... no one mentioned the middle ground here. What about x3's? When I originally built my rig I had a very tight budget and wanted a quad. I couldn't quite afford it so I took the next best thing. I've never seen any game run my CPU at 100% usage yet so I think tri core CPUs are a good choice for budget minded gamers. Of course that was a year ago...
I have actually built a rig for my dad on an ultra-low budget, and ended up with a Athlon ii x3 and my old 4850. It games pretty well, and as you said, no game has fully used the cpu. I think, though, that if you put a more powerful gpu in, you will probably see a bottleneck occurring.
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post #24 of 39
heres a straight answer

MoH/BFBC2 - quad is needed

Everything else - dual can suffice, triple is ideal, quad is extra
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post #25 of 39
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I may be unfair in comparing my e8400 to a newer generation 2500k, but what I noticed was the ability for many games (that I play) to use all four cores at roughly 65-70% (shoots up to 90 or so percent with fraps on).

I guess a huge gain I received from upgrading is the ability to have background programs running with nearly no effect on my gaming experience. On a dual core, I could feel the second a program started in the background.

I guess I argued so much is about something I didn't make real clear, that if a cpu bottleneck occurs (gpu not fully used), the difference in performance is huge. If I ran with my old 4850, I doubt I would see such a huge difference - maybe a few fps. But when my gtx460 went from 60% avg usage to 100% with the transition between dual and quad? That, is a big difference.
Good point. We definitely want to have the GPU at its maximum potential. Of course we always have to still keep the end FPS in mind since that's what matters. If the GPU usage is increased 40% but FPS only increases a couple, then it's no use.

But otherwise yes, quad core is cheap and really no reason to buy dual cores since you can multi task better and the quad cores clock faster too and they can do more per clock than the older chips.

I just wish that we can have a real breakthrough in clock speeds which can really and definitely see improvement vs adding tons and tons of cores.
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Good point. We definitely want to have the GPU at its maximum potential. Of course we always have to still keep the end FPS in mind since that's what matters. If the GPU usage is increased 40% but FPS only increases a couple, then it's no use.

But otherwise yes, quad core is cheap and really no reason to buy dual cores since you can multi task better and the quad cores clock faster too and they can do more per clock than the older chips.

I just wish that we can have a real breakthrough in clock speeds which can really and definitely see improvement vs adding tons and tons of cores.
Quoting my physics teacher... "We are on an eve of a technological revolution... [etc, etc] quantum computing"

Hope that's true =P

In fact, the largest gain was in the minimum fps, as average fps was fine even for my 4850/e8400. I would get drops down to stuttering levels in 24+player tf2 servers in which fps dipped to around 55. The moment I switched over to sandy bridge (even ran stock clocks for a bit, so that clock for clock it was slower than my old dual), it jumped up past 100.
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Quoting my physics teacher... "We are on an eve of a technological revolution... [etc, etc] quantum computing"

Hope that's true =P

In fact, the largest gain was in the minimum fps, as average fps was fine even for my 4850/e8400. I would get drops down to stuttering levels in 24+player tf2 servers in which fps dipped to around 55. The moment I switched over to sandy bridge (even ran stock clocks for a bit, so that clock for clock it was slower than my old dual), it jumped up past 100.
Good point. Minimum FPS is huge because you don't notice the stutter or lag nearly as much if the min FPS is bumped alot.

Hope your physics teacher is right.
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4 is twice as much as 2 ...
    
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4 is twice as much as 2 ...
And 6 is three times as much as 2, three halves as much as 4...
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a core i3 runs SC2 better than my quadcore does.

I guess it really depends on the game and the cpu architecture.

BFBC2 runs completely maxed out 1080p @ 47 FPS with my sig rig.

If I pop in my 5770 into my backup 3.71 e5400 then I can't max it out I have to disable VSync and HBAO to run it.
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