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heavy hydrogen analogue?
thats just a helium atom with a muon in the palce of the inner electron!

and that light hydrogen analogue is impossible, its 2 negatively charged thigns, they would repel!

is this seriously what passes for science nowadays?
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Originally Posted by kyle-reece View Post
heavy hydrogen analogue?
thats just a helium atom with a muon in the palce of the inner electron!

and that light hydrogen analogue is impossible, its 2 negatively charged thigns, they would repel!

is this seriously what passes for science nowadays?
Someone once said "Science replaces private prejudice with publicly verifiable evidence"

If you think it's wrong or that he's lying, by all means, go prove it.

I mean, the scientist who got this paper published in nature paid off the peer review staff to make sure it got in, right?
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Originally Posted by kyle-reece View Post
heavy hydrogen analogue?
thats just a helium atom with a muon in the palce of the inner electron!

and that light hydrogen analogue is impossible, its 2 negatively charged thigns, they would repel!

is this seriously what passes for science nowadays?
Finally, an expert arrives in this thread to clarify things for us...
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post #14 of 18
It's a positive muon.

Inner electron on a Hydrogen atom?
Derp?

Methkinks someone doesn't know what a Hydryogen atom looks like.
    
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Methkinks someone doesn't know what a Hydryogen atom looks like.
I can honestly say I've never seen one in my entire life.
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by kyle-reece View Post
heavy hydrogen analogue?
thats just a helium atom with a muon in the palce of the inner electron!
Positive muons have been covered, but this is still a valid point. Elements are defined by how many protons they have in their nucleus. Clearly, the heavy hydrogen (which to this point, we know as either deuterium or tritium, depending on whether it has 1 or 2 neutrons) in the picture has 2 protons, which would indeed make it helium.

Edit: If I actually read the article, my question would have been answered. Derp. The answer could have been inferred alone by the title in the first place anyway- "artificial hydrogen". It's not really hydrogen, it is technically helium, but it acts like hydrogen.
Edited by aroc91 - 1/28/11 at 12:16pm
    
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That was a cool read
 
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post #18 of 18
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So the classification of an atom is dependent on it's overall charge, not the number of protons? High school chemistry lied to me again :/

I wonder what would happen if they made a nucleus consisting of equal numbers of protons and muons...
Classification of particles is quite different from classification of elements. Unique elements are determined by the number of protons -- different isotopes of the same element are determined by the overall charge. However, there are a few different types of "particles" that can be classified -- baryons (protons are baryons) are made up of quarks called up, down, charm, strange, top and bottom (which each have three properties themselves: mass, charge, and spin); leptons (electrons and muons are leptons) are standalone particles; and then there are other ones you don't hear about often: mesons, bosons (light photons are bosons), which transmit fundamental interactions...

Anyway, the point is you weren't lied to, you just weren't given the whole picture -- elements are still classified by proton number. The same concept applies to every field of study -- you learn bits and pieces at a time because otherwise you'd be completely overwhelmed and just give up.
Edited by flamingoyster - 1/28/11 at 1:12pm
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