Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › AMD/ATI › Topic On Vsync...
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Topic On Vsync... - Page 3

post #21 of 30
Thread Starter 
4890s run hot but 70 degrees C isnt bad with the 9 percent boost stable right. if i Started playing with the voltage whats a dangerous temperature range?
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I-5 2500k Extreme4 Z77 Asrock Mobo MSI Lightning 7970 G Skill Dual Channel 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
180gb SSD MUSHKIN chronos H55 Cooler Windows 7 Ultimate  27 inch 2ms Samsung 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Das Keyboard 800w Corsair Gaming Series HAF 932 BLACK Razr Naga Elite 
Mouse Pad
Razr 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I-5 2500k Extreme4 Z77 Asrock Mobo MSI Lightning 7970 G Skill Dual Channel 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
180gb SSD MUSHKIN chronos H55 Cooler Windows 7 Ultimate  27 inch 2ms Samsung 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Das Keyboard 800w Corsair Gaming Series HAF 932 BLACK Razr Naga Elite 
Mouse Pad
Razr 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by PDXMark View Post
This is wrong!

I read a study by the USAF that was about pilot eye response rate. The USAF found that an average USAF 'student'(not a trained and graduated pilot) can identify a plane in 1/230th a second. That's 230Hz! This study was done by simply flashing a video object at the pilot with the pilot unaware of what the object was going to be, at a speed of 1/230th a second.

So 1/230th of a second, or 230Hz, is visible to the eye 'when concentrating'. The "eye-cells"(not to be confused with the retin)stop seeing the flicker in images around 100Hz(or 1/100th a second). The further down you go in Hz frequency, they easier the eye-cells pick up the flicker of the transitioning frame.

Hope this helps. Because saying the eye cannot tell the difference over 60Hz is a false statement!

At 120Hz, things look fluid, at 60Hz objects flicker!
That's not applicable at all due to persistence of vision. Look it up.
The 3930
(26 items)
 
Junior's 3930
(22 items)
 
DATA/HTPC
(20 items)
 
  hide details  
Reply
The 3930
(26 items)
 
Junior's 3930
(22 items)
 
DATA/HTPC
(20 items)
 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsm106 View Post
That's not applicable at all due to persistence of vision. Look it up.
Yeah at least I know that



But... Play any fast paced game like quake or unreal. Compared to these, COD is a snail pace.

You're gonna SUFFER IN AGONY at the hands of your 60hz screen.

60hz is okay for stuff like BC2 or COD
Toki
(10 items)
 
  
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
[i7 860] [XFX 5870] [4x2gb] [WD 500gb] 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
[W7] [HP LP3065 - CrossOver 27Q LED-P - Acer x243w] Ducky DK1087-CELLB Tenkeyless, MX Blue - Steels... [LC power 750W] 
Audio
[ATH-A700] + [Asus Xonar DG] 
  hide details  
Reply
Toki
(10 items)
 
  
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
[i7 860] [XFX 5870] [4x2gb] [WD 500gb] 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
[W7] [HP LP3065 - CrossOver 27Q LED-P - Acer x243w] Ducky DK1087-CELLB Tenkeyless, MX Blue - Steels... [LC power 750W] 
Audio
[ATH-A700] + [Asus Xonar DG] 
  hide details  
Reply
post #24 of 30
Imo, screen tearing is an issue more than flicker and that's where a faster screen refresh helps.

Yall just need slower eyes is all!
The 3930
(26 items)
 
Junior's 3930
(22 items)
 
DATA/HTPC
(20 items)
 
  hide details  
Reply
The 3930
(26 items)
 
Junior's 3930
(22 items)
 
DATA/HTPC
(20 items)
 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by De-Zant View Post
lol!

Just because you can't see doesn't mean that nobody can. I definitely see it, and so do lots of people around the world.

What's your 20/?? ?

Anyhow, some people can't see it. Some people can. It's that simple. But don't go around assuming that nobody else can do what you can't. That's just silly.
Well I don't know what you mean by 20/? but my eyes are fine and I don't wear glasses. Maybe it's possible to see a slight difference in fast paced FPS games but in the games that I play (Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising, Fallout: New Vegas, World of Warcraft, Portal, Napoleon Total War) I and my friends can't see any difference.
Koneko
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD R5 1600 Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Sapphire RX560 (2GB) Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W (16GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveMonitorKeyboard
Samsung 840 Pro (256GB) Seagate ST3000DM001 (3TB) Alienware OptX AW2310 (120Hz) Generic Dell 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 88R Mionix Naos 7000 Steelseries Qck 
  hide details  
Reply
Koneko
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD R5 1600 Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Sapphire RX560 (2GB) Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W (16GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveMonitorKeyboard
Samsung 840 Pro (256GB) Seagate ST3000DM001 (3TB) Alienware OptX AW2310 (120Hz) Generic Dell 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 88R Mionix Naos 7000 Steelseries Qck 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixlight View Post
Well I don't know what you mean by 20/? but my eyes are fine and I don't wear glasses. Maybe it's possible to see a slight difference in fast paced FPS games but in the games that I play (Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising, Fallout: New Vegas, World of Warcraft, Portal, Napoleon Total War) I and my friends can't see any difference.
He is talking about your vision, 20/20 being perfect.

And he is also talking about fighter pilots, not your friends. Fighter pilots represent the extreme ends of people with extremely fast reaction time. Most people can't tell the difference, likely, between even lower and higher frame rates. I would wager some people can't tell the difference between 45 FPS and 7,000 FPS.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 @ 3.5 (1.39v) Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P ASUS 5850 @ 880/1180 (1.118v) 4gb 1333mhz G.Skill DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64gb Crucial M4 SSD 3x 250gb WD2500JD - RAID0 1tb WD1001FALS 1tb WD10EARS 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Pioneer DLDVD/CDRW Arctic Freezer Pro 64 Win 7 64bit Ultimate E2305 LG 23" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch II Ninja Tenkeyless Fortron BlueStorm II 500w CM 690II Advanced Razer DeathAdder 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
generic Echo Miamidi PCI M-Audio BX5a Studio Monitors 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 @ 3.5 (1.39v) Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P ASUS 5850 @ 880/1180 (1.118v) 4gb 1333mhz G.Skill DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
64gb Crucial M4 SSD 3x 250gb WD2500JD - RAID0 1tb WD1001FALS 1tb WD10EARS 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Pioneer DLDVD/CDRW Arctic Freezer Pro 64 Win 7 64bit Ultimate E2305 LG 23" LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch II Ninja Tenkeyless Fortron BlueStorm II 500w CM 690II Advanced Razer DeathAdder 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
generic Echo Miamidi PCI M-Audio BX5a Studio Monitors 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 30
I had to change the Sync setting's in CCC to resolve the massive tearing effect's that I would see on game's which really destroyed the whole game experience... Ever sinced I tweaked the V-Sync... It's been like ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
Ryzen
(8 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 1700 Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K5 Nvidia GTX 770 G.Skill Trident Z 16GB 3000MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung Evo 960 M.2 Stock AMD Windows 10 Pro Superflower 650W 
  hide details  
Reply
Ryzen
(8 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 1700 Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K5 Nvidia GTX 770 G.Skill Trident Z 16GB 3000MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung Evo 960 M.2 Stock AMD Windows 10 Pro Superflower 650W 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by _02 View Post
He is talking about your vision, 20/20 being perfect.

And he is also talking about fighter pilots, not your friends. Fighter pilots represent the extreme ends of people with extremely fast reaction time. Most people can't tell the difference, likely, between even lower and higher frame rates. I would wager some people can't tell the difference between 45 FPS and 7,000 FPS.
I don't think the eye's notice any difference if more than 60FPS
Ryzen
(8 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 1700 Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K5 Nvidia GTX 770 G.Skill Trident Z 16GB 3000MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung Evo 960 M.2 Stock AMD Windows 10 Pro Superflower 650W 
  hide details  
Reply
Ryzen
(8 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 1700 Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K5 Nvidia GTX 770 G.Skill Trident Z 16GB 3000MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung Evo 960 M.2 Stock AMD Windows 10 Pro Superflower 650W 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 30
the 70 000:1 ration is an active contrast ratio on your monitor . it's done by technology to increase the effect and gives better image quality in dark image in game . most monitor are 800:1 1000:1 2000:1 contrast native not active .

Active contrast ratio is a BS

Vsync stop images from getting on each others to avoid tearing and lock FPS to your maximum monitor output ( a display can be forced to do more but it will damage it in the long run )

edit : The human eye isn't fonctioning by FPS it is a streaming of information ( like every other eye in the animals world .

your eyes sees every frame something can output . so it could not be possible to differences 60fps from 7 000fps from your perspective but your brain sees all the images . so in fact it buys you ms of reaction time between 60 fps and say 200 fps.
Edited by Marc-Olivier Beaudoin - 1/28/11 at 11:00am
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[Phenom II X6 1090T @4GHz better cooling awaits] [GA-890FXA-UD7 rev 2.0] R9 390 [8GB Kingston HyperX 1566MHz 9-9-9-24 @ 1.71volts] 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
[WD RE3 500GB-WD green 1TB- OCZ vertex 2 60GB] [LG super multi] [Windows 7 premium 64bit] 1 x 25.5'' 1920x1200 + 1 25.5'' 1920x1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Storm Quick Fire [Corsair TX 750w] [Cooler master HAF X] Logitech G502 
Mouse PadAudio
Steelseries extra large thick mousepad Fried 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[Phenom II X6 1090T @4GHz better cooling awaits] [GA-890FXA-UD7 rev 2.0] R9 390 [8GB Kingston HyperX 1566MHz 9-9-9-24 @ 1.71volts] 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
[WD RE3 500GB-WD green 1TB- OCZ vertex 2 60GB] [LG super multi] [Windows 7 premium 64bit] 1 x 25.5'' 1920x1200 + 1 25.5'' 1920x1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Storm Quick Fire [Corsair TX 750w] [Cooler master HAF X] Logitech G502 
Mouse PadAudio
Steelseries extra large thick mousepad Fried 
  hide details  
Reply
post #30 of 30
Just my $ .02: I just went from a fast response, Asus tn panel monitor to a fast response, LG tn panel running @ 120 Hz. I'm currently playing bfbc2, and I have msaa down to 4x, shadows on low, hbao off, and run it in dx 10 so that I run 80 - 150 fps.

So I am running the frames to take advantage of the monitor, and it is easily distinguishable from 60 Hz at the same settings. Objects or players(in close quarters) that move all the way across the screen in a fraction of a second are much easier to maintain focus on and track.

And for the OP, if you can get your framerate up by upgrading your graphics or by lowering the detail settings, you can disable vsync, have no tearing, and have none of the vsync induced lag. I do not not notice any tearing with vsync off if the framerate is high enough.
Edited by PARTON - 1/28/11 at 12:18pm
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600K @ 4.7(1.416v load) Gigabyte P67 UD4 Diamond HD 7970 1250/1800 4 x 4GB Mushkin Blackline 1.35v 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
830 256GB & (3) Spinpoint F3's win7 x64 LG W2363D-PF Silverstone DA800 
Case
FT-02B 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600K @ 4.7(1.416v load) Gigabyte P67 UD4 Diamond HD 7970 1250/1800 4 x 4GB Mushkin Blackline 1.35v 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
830 256GB & (3) Spinpoint F3's win7 x64 LG W2363D-PF Silverstone DA800 
Case
FT-02B 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AMD/ATI
Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › AMD/ATI › Topic On Vsync...