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PMSL! I can't believe the front of someone trying to start that, glad you've cleared that up JF. And no I don't think it's wrong to use such extreme caps when someone is deliberately attempting to spread misinformation and derail a new product line yet to be released.

Thats what everyone does before a new peice of hardware comes out.
There is no stopping it.

typing in extreme caps will let some people know, maybe correct 1% from not thinking that false information.
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Anyone who was following sandy bridge knew it was just optimizations on the old i5/i7 architecture along with moving to 32nm from 45nm.
From the hype, people thought it was another generation of processor, not some slight reheat.

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And what the hell are you talking about its fairly weak and not worth the price premium? The i5-2500k was 200 dollars and it puts everything AMD has out at this time to shame in everything but encoding and even then the i7 closes the gap with hyper threading.
I don't know where you are sourcing parts, but around here, Sandy Bridge chips are in the $700-800 range. For the cash, AMD is a performance champ because even if it has less performance, it will be $200 cheaper than the equivalent Intel price, at least around these parts.

Hyper threading is bogus, there is so little software that actually uses it, outside of the specially written benchmark programs Intel puts out there.

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That being said I hope bulldozer does great and puts the heat on intel. Competition is good for everyone and I might just have to switch over if they can beat the old 9xx series clock for clock along with having 8 cores.
If AMD sticks with their current pricing schemes, Bulldozer will still be a bargain. Too many Intel chips are woefully overpriced. Of course, if I had an infinite budget and was concerned about absolute maximum speeds, Intel would be champ - but for the money, I can buy three or four AMD systems and network them, for the price of a single Intel processor.
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Anyone who was following sandy bridge knew it was just optimizations on the old i5/i7 architecture along with moving to 32nm from 45nm. And what the hell are you talking about its fairly weak and not worth the price premium? The i5-2500k was 200 dollars and it puts everything AMD has out at this time to shame in everything but encoding and even then the i7 closes the gap with hyper threading. Its a good 40-50% faster clock for clock than the phenom II's along with being able to hit higher clock speeds on air than phenom II's can do on water. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and just spewing fanboy garbage. That being said I hope bulldozer does great and puts the heat on intel. Competition is good for everyone and I might just have to switch over if they can beat the old 9xx series clock for clock along with having 8 cores.
I wouldn't say he's spewing garbage. Alot of what he said was true. The only thing that he was wrong about was SB's pricing. And Hell, you can't say you weren't disappointed either when you found out Sandy was just i5/i7 Architecture. Everyone who heard the Sandy Bridge hype was disappointed when it turned out to just be another tock.

Edit: Seriously? $700-$800? I picked up my 2600K for $313, and cancelled the order when I heard about the P67 issue.
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I wouldn't say he's spewing garbage. Alot of what he said was true. The only thing that he was wrong about was SB's pricing. And Hell, you can't say you weren't disappointed either when you found out Sandy was just i5/i7 Architecture. Everyone who heard the Sandy Bridge hype was disappointed when it turned out to just be another tock.
They made it known rather early that SB was mainly optimizations on the i7 series. To expect ground breaking performance was wrong on the part of anyone expecting it. Haswell is going to be the truly new architecture. On top of that, even if the speed of SB is only about 10-15% faster clock for clock than the old 9xx series it still can be over clocked much further for 24/7 operation which is a big improvement imo.
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From the hype, people thought it was another generation of processor, not some slight reheat.



I don't know where you are sourcing parts, but around here, Sandy Bridge chips are in the $700-800 range. For the cash, AMD is a performance champ because even if it has less performance, it will be $200 cheaper than the equivalent Intel price, at least around these parts.

Hyper threading is bogus, there is so little software that actually uses it, outside of the specially written benchmark programs Intel puts out there.



If AMD sticks with their current pricing schemes, Bulldozer will still be a bargain. Too many Intel chips are woefully overpriced. Of course, if I had an infinite budget and was concerned about absolute maximum speeds, Intel would be champ - but for the money, I can buy three or four AMD systems and network them, for the price of a single Intel processor.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi..._corei5_2500k/

right on the top of the article is says the chips prices.
Newegg has deactivated the i7 2500k
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From the hype, people thought it was another generation of processor, not some slight reheat.



I don't know where you are sourcing parts, but around here, Sandy Bridge chips are in the $700-800 range. For the cash, AMD is a performance champ because even if it has less performance, it will be $200 cheaper than the equivalent Intel price, at least around these parts.


Hyper threading is bogus, there is so little software that actually uses it, outside of the specially written benchmark programs Intel puts out there.



If AMD sticks with their current pricing schemes, Bulldozer will still be a bargain. Too many Intel chips are woefully overpriced. Of course, if I had an infinite budget and was concerned about absolute maximum speeds, Intel would be champ - but for the money, I can buy three or four AMD systems and network them, for the price of a single Intel processor.
In the states its 200 for the i5-2500k and 300 for the i7-2600k and the mobos are actually not priced super high.(well weren't prior to recall) Thats why people here were saying phenom II's were not worth it anymore becuase for $200 for the i5 and $150 for a good mobo you could decimate anything AMD put out aside from as already stated encoding and video/photo editing where the additional threads of the 10xxt series do help give it a leg up. Also while hyper threading doesn't help in a majority of programs it does help in encoding and video/photo editing which is why I said it closes the gap with the 10xxt cpus since thats the only area they take the lead over intel atm.

Lastly don't listen to the hype, its rarely accurate. Intel had released plenty of info showing that the advancements of sandy bridge were things like improving the way the cache worked and just overall improving the speed at which everything communicated together. All pre-release speculation is, is mostly fanboys going on about how their new chip that has no benchmarks out is going to beat such and such other chip that also has no benchmarks out.
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They made it known rather early that SB was mainly optimizations on the i7 series.
To me, the length of time their lie stood up doesn't change the fact. I mean, come on; they made Sandy Bridge out to be practically revolutionary. They still do, for Christ sakes. It's laughable.

The only thing revolutionary about it was that it was an Intel chip, and reasonably priced. Something we definitely wouldn't see if Bulldozer weren't around the corner.
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To me, the length of time their lie stood up doesn't change the fact. I mean, come on; they made Sandy Bridge out to be practically revolutionary. They still do, for Christ sakes. It's laughable.

The only thing revolutionary about it was that it was an Intel chip, and reasonably priced. Something we definitely wouldn't see if Bulldozer weren't around the corner.
Intel fanboys made it out to be revolutionary, intel had always said sandy bridge was optimizations and refinements of the original core i series. I will note they were behaving much the same way some amd fanboys are claiming now that bulldozer will be the fastest mainstream cpu yet, despite having no benchmarks or proof aside from brief amounts of information on the architecture.
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The sceptic could claim that Intel knew before they released SB about the sata problem, but they chose to wait with the info for a month whilst accumulating customers who were then locked into the SB loop for a few months while the problem is sorted, customers who, had they known about the SB problem (or if Intel had fixed it before release) probably wouldn't have bought SB at that time.

Now COINCIDENTLY SB will be fixed around the time BD is released.

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Lastly don't listen to the hype, its rarely accurate. Intel had released plenty of info showing that the advancements of sandy bridge were things like improving the way the cache worked and just overall improving the speed at which everything communicated together.
AMD has released much info on BD, module/core structure, cache size, improved ipc, improved imc, turbocore 2, if you'd bothered to read anything you'd know all this. These things are why people are speculating on BD, much as the same reason you gave regarding SB.
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The sceptic could claim that Intel knew before they released SB about the sata problem, but they chose to wait with the info for a month whilst accumulating customers who were then locked into the SB loop for a few months while the problem is sorted, customers who, had they known about the SB problem (or if Intel had fixed it before release) probably wouldn't have bought SB at that time.

Now COINCIDENTLY SB will be fixed around the time BD is released.



AMD has released much info on BD, module/core structure, cache size, improved ipc, improved imc, turbocore 2, if you'd bothered to read anything you'd know all this. These things are why people are speculating on BD, much as the same reason you gave regarding SB.


As I said they have released information on the architecture, I don't get where you are getting the idea I didn't know this stuff. However even with this info its far from being able to tell how it will perform in relation to other cpus on the market at this time which was my point.
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