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Sorry but this first post is so full of contradiction.



There's been reams written about Bulldozer on the net, either you've been reading crochet forums or your friends aren't as knowledgeable as they would have you believe.




So you weren't reading crochet forums, yet you still haven't found ANYTHING on BD?




Seriously, i'm not being rude, but you obviously aren't following anything, or you wouldn't be posting this stuff. There's at least 3 current BD threads on this site alone.

BD is real, it's happening, we know much about the format, but nothing concrete about performance.
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yes it will work on an AM3 board because AMD is not going to release a cpu that everyone has to buy a completely new motherboard to use.
No it won't. Can't be bothered to find the source but it's from AMD.

AMD is fantastic for CPU's compatibility, but it can't last forever. A new mobo for a new CPU every year or less for Intel. Occasional for AMD is still a win.
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Only reason AMD processors have been backwards compatible for the past few years is because all these processors have been refreshes of old architecture, so naturally it's easy to make them backwards compatible.

BD will be AMD's 1st major architecture change in a few years, and you will need an AM3+ board, which is a NEW motherboard required to run it. 1st major architectural change in years requires a new mobo, go figure.

If AMD had more architectural changes over the years, then I'm sure there would've been more new motherboards required along the way, just sayin'.

Whether you're an Intel or AMD fan, we are all rooting for Bulldozer to deliver, otherwise, we're all stuck with Intel's high prices since they have no real competition but themselves.

IF BD delivers I will build a bulldozer rig to play with.

I've had both platforms over the years, but realistically Intel has been superior overall recently, even with the SB blunder, AMD has nothing to capitalize on it. People building new rigs now are still going with a 950.

Intel will recover from this SB blunder before BD is released.

Right now, BD is more like a myth to me until I see some real world benchmarks.

People who praise AMD for their low prices are really uninformed IMO, only reason AMD's processors are cheaper is because they fail to outperform their Intel counterparts, and therefore are priced accordingly.

Need I remind you when AMD had the fastest dual core processor, and Intel didn't have an answer for it at the time?

Yea, it was sold for $1000!

AMD just like Intel is a company who's aim is to make money, period.

They will price their products based on their performance, and when that performance is 2nd best out of 2 companies, well, their products get priced cheaper based on their performance don't they?

But when they did have the best, well... see above.

Need another example?

How about the prices of the 5870 and 5970 when they had no competition?

The 5970 hovered around $700 until Nvida finally had an answer, and only at that point did the price come down, otherwise, they would've continue to milk that price.

AMD really is your friend.
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post #24 of 55
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Only reason AMD processors have been backwards compatible for the past few years is because all these processors have been refreshes of old architecture, so naturally it's easy to make them backwards compatible.

BD will be AMD's 1st major architecture change in a few years, and you will need an AM3+ board, which is a NEW motherboard required to run it. 1st major architectural change in years requires a new mobo, go figure.

If AMD had more architectural changes over the years, then I'm sure there would've been more new motherboards required along the way, just sayin'.

Whether you're an Intel or AMD fan, we are all rooting for Bulldozer to deliver, otherwise, we're all stuck with Intel's high prices since they have no real competition but themselves.

IF BD delivers I will build a bulldozer rig to play with.

I've had both platforms over the years, but realistically Intel has been superior overall recently, even with the SB blunder, AMD has nothing to capitalize on it. People building new rigs now are still going with a 950.

Intel will recover from this SB blunder before BD is released.

Right now, BD is more like a myth to me until I see some real world benchmarks.

People who praise AMD for their low prices are really uninformed IMO, only reason AMD's processors are cheaper is because they fail to outperform their Intel counterparts, and therefore are priced accordingly.

Need I remind you when AMD had the fastest dual core processor, and Intel didn't have an answer for it at the time?

Yea, it was sold for $1000! AMD really is your friend.
I bought an athlon II 630 quadcore for $40 dollars after tax from Fry's. Compare that to an i7 that costs 200 at a sale price SUBTOTAL. That is a X5 difference between final price vs subtotal. And yet the i7 does not do X5 the performance, not even double. This is why people like AMD.
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I bought an athlon II 630 quadcore for $40 dollars after tax from Fry's. Compare that to an i7 that costs 200 at a sale price SUBTOTAL. That is a X5 difference between final price vs subtotal. And yet the i7 does not do X5 the performance, not even double. This is why people like AMD.
You're clearly missing the whole point.
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I bought an athlon II 630 quadcore for $40 dollars after tax from Fry's. Compare that to an i7 that costs 200 at a sale price SUBTOTAL. That is a X5 difference between final price vs subtotal. And yet the i7 does not do X5 the performance, not even double. This is why people like AMD.
You're clearly missing the whole point.

I updated my post with this....

Need another example?

How about AMD's prices of the 5870 and 5970 when they had no competition?

The 5970 hovered around $700 until Nvidia finally had an answer, and only at that point did the price come down, otherwise, they would've continue to milk that price. They could've sold the 5970 for $400 - $500 just like they are now, but did they? NOPE, it was steady at $700.

AMD really is your friend.

Once again, need I remind you of THIS:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...lt,1204-2.html

I AM rooting for Bulldozer, I will build or upgrade to whoever gives me the best performance, and right now, Intel was the way to go, you can't tell me AMD processors are better, yes they are cheaper, but they're not better:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2

My previous rig was AMD for the record, before you go thinking that I'm pro Intel or whatever, but you need to get the POINT. AMD's processors are priced the way they are because of their performance or lack there of as shown above, the top 20 CPU's are Intel, and AMD shows up in the charts after 21 Intel processors, what does that tell you?

AMD has no choice but to price their processors cheaply right now, because they can't keep with their Intel counterparts, but when they did outperform Intel, well I already showed you what they priced their products at didn't I?
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-Bulldozer will be AM3+, you will need a new MB.

-Bulldozer will most likely carry the FX moniker.

-Bulldozer will be manufactured using 32nm node at GlobalFoundries.


I myself am really excited about the release of Bulldozer. It will be AMD’s newest architecture since 2003; the company has worked very hard the past five years constructing the chip from scratch. I hope everything goes according to plan and that Bulldozer receives many design wins.
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post #28 of 55
AMD is traditionally VERY secretive with thier products before release.
Even with the Athlon XP they didnt really release much information until a few weeks before it actually hit shelves.
Bulldozer is very real, and I am expecting it to be better than Sandybridge, But because AMD is so secretive about processors before launch we don't know much about it other than what they have let us know. And what we have seen is very enticing.

And yes, Bulldozer will be on AM3+, This has been confirmed repeatedly.
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post #29 of 55
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You're clearly missing the whole point.

I updated my post with this....

Need another example?

How about AMD's prices of the 5870 and 5970 when they had no competition?

The 5970 hovered around $700 until Nvidia finally had an answer, and only at that point did the price come down, otherwise, they would've continue to milk that price. They could've sold the 5970 for $400 - $500 just like they are now, but did they? NOPE, it was steady at $700.

AMD really is your friend.

Once again, need I remind you of THIS:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...lt,1204-2.html
I am not talking about AMD's graphics cards (in fact, for gpus I only support Nvidia at the moment). I am also not talking about the past. I am referring to the now. You tried to suggest that AMD was a ripoff, and I provided a counter example. AMD's cpus, especially those in the $150 and lower range (think athlon II) provide ridiculous value per dollar spent. There is no denying that, regardless of what camp you come from.

And do not try to make it out like Intel is so heavenly. Do you need a reminder of Intel being sued for having unfair business practices ie "Don't buy AMD or we will cut off supply from you." Do you need links showing those lawsuits that Intel lost? Intel is KNOWN for shady business practices. That is their reputation.
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I am not talking about AMD's graphics cards (in fact, for gpus I only support Nvidia at the moment). I am also not talking about the past. I am referring to the now. You tried to suggest that AMD was a ripoff, and I provided a counter example. AMD's cpus, especially those in the $150 and lower range (think athlon II) provide ridiculous value per dollar spent. There is no denying that, regardless of what camp you come from.

And do not try to make it out like Intel is so heavenly. Do you need a reminder of Intel being sued for having unfair business practices ie "Don't buy AMD or we will cut off supply from you." Do you need links showing those lawsuits that Intel lost? Intel is KNOWN for shady business practices. That is their reputation.
There's no point on continuing this discussion with you, you just don't get it.

AMD has never been sued either, you're right.

I guess you missed this part of my post right?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2

There are 21 Intel CPU's before we see any signs of AMD processors showing up in the charts.

I am PRO performance, and right now AMD is NOT it. Otherwise I would have an AMD rig RIGHT NOW.

I agree, AMD offers best bang for buck, but they are forced to price their products accordingly due to THEIR performance. It's not like they have the best products at the lowest prices.

And a simple history lesson showed you that when they did have the fastest DUAL CORE processor, it was priced at $1000. If AMD cared about you so much, they would've priced it at say $300? But they didn't, and that's the POINT. I further proved that claim with their graphics cards practices as well, they are the same company, with the same business practices, they are a company in it to make money, period, just like Intel is.

Both companies will create products that will net them the most profits, sadly Intel just does a better job at it, and the proof is in the pudding.
http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:INTC

Yes, Intel had shady business practices, and paid AMD $1.25 Billion for it, which is less than 1% of their overall net worth, but to AMD, that accounted for 20% of their net worth. Big difference isn't it?

I guess you didn't take Economics in University did you?

In case I haven't been clear enough to you, I am pro performance, and I am rooting for BD to deliver because otherwise we're screwed with Intel's high prices, and when you have no competition, you can price your products as high as the market will pay, it's just the way it is, always has been, always will be, AMD has done it in the past, and Intel is doing it in the present.
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