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BD's "true competition" will be whatevers out at the same time from Intel. When they started designing it 5-6 years ago they didn't say "righht, Intels releasing Ivy bridge in 2012, lets start designing a cpu for then".

AMD are supposed to be releasing 28nm BD's next year, could end up being the year after, these will have to compete with whatevers out then.
I never said or claimed that AMD was aiming at Ivy Bridge when they started building Bulldozer.

Based on quite a few articles I've read, such as this one:
http://blogs.pcmag.com/miller/2010/1...ebook_road.php

It states:

At the highest end of the line, aimed at enthusiasts and high-end gamers, AMD plans an 4 or 8-core desktop chip known as Zambezi, based on its upcoming high-end "Bulldozer" core, which is planned for use in the company's server line as well....

In this article, it states the same thing:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08...ips/print.html

The "Zambezi" variant of the Bulldozer chip, aimed at the enthusiast desktop PC space......

Therefore, Ivy Bridge would be its true competition would it not? Since IB will be Intel's "enthusiast" processors, while Sandy Bridge are Intel's "mainstream" processors.

So far we've seen what Intel's current "mainstream" processors are capable of, IB's 6-8 core processors will raise the bar further, and it's safe to say that a fair comparison would be Intel's 8 core processor vs AMD's 8 core processor.

If AMD's flagship 8 core processor doesn't beat Intel's 4 core processors, then there's something seriously wrong with this picture.
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AMD Bulldozer Discussion on overclock.net

There was quite a bit talked about in this thread, though there are a few things we don't know yet, we do know that are good rumors floating around that Bulldozer will be ABOUT 50% more performance over the current Phenom II X6 & i7-950 CPU, will offer 1800 MHz RAM (correct me if I'm wrong here), will use a new Socket AM3+, and Turbo Core (which a much more improved version of Turbo Boost which Intel Uses, though this was made by AMD not Intel).

Many of us techs are expecting significant gains in performance, though, some may be disappointed if they lock out overclocking, and AMD is being extremely tight lipped about specs, so I'm kind of scared & excited at the same time. lol.
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AMD Bulldozer Discussion on overclock.net

There was quite a bit talked about in this thread, though there are a few things we don't know yet, we do know that are good rumors floating around that Bulldozer will be ABOUT 50% more performance over the current Phenom II X6 & i7-950 CPU, will offer 1800 MHz RAM (correct me if I'm wrong here), will use a new Socket AM3+, and Turbo Core (which a much more improved version of Turbo Boost which Intel Uses, though this was made by AMD not Intel).

Many of us techs are expecting significant gains in performance, though, some may be disappointed if they lock out overclocking, and AMD is being extremely tight lipped about specs, so I'm kind of scared & excited at the same time. lol.
The only thing that suggests "50% performance" is this chart, and it's hard to call this reliable.



Until we have some real benchmarks to back up these claims, I would take this chart with a grain of salt. Everything we know about Bulldozer is a rumor, since nothing solid or reliable has been "leaked".


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I never said or claimed that AMD was aiming at Ivy Bridge when they started building Bulldozer.

Based on quite a few articles I've read, such as this one:
http://blogs.pcmag.com/miller/2010/1...ebook_road.php

It states:

At the highest end of the line, aimed at enthusiasts and high-end gamers, AMD plans an 4 or 8-core desktop chip known as Zambezi, based on its upcoming high-end "Bulldozer" core, which is planned for use in the company's server line as well....

In this article, it states the same thing:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08...ips/print.html

The "Zambezi" variant of the Bulldozer chip, aimed at the enthusiast desktop PC space......

Therefore, Ivy Bridge would be its true competition would it not? Since IB will be Intel's "enthusiast" processors, while Sandy Bridge are Intel's "mainstream" processors.

So far we've seen what Intel's current "mainstream" processors are capable of, IB's 6-8 core processors will raise the bar further, and it's safe to say that a fair comparison would be Intel's 8 core processor vs AMD's 8 core processor.

If AMD's flagship 8 core processor doesn't beat Intel's 4 core processors, then there's something seriously wrong with this picture.

Will ivy Bridge be released before or at the same time as BD?

If the answer is no (which it is), then BD will be competing with SB / 980x. Therefore
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BD's "true competition" will be whatevers out at the same time from Intel.
I didn't say BD wasn't AMD's flagship enthusiast cpu (although thats an Intel term that AMD doesn't use), it may or may not be depending on it's performance which will be reflected in it's price. I sincerely hope it's as good as the hype.
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