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I'd like to see them make more systems with an Embedded OS, like Ubuntu Embedded or Windows Embedded...

Core + Kernel = Never Changed, run add ons + Software through the Internet only, as a service. That way if people don't pay, they get no service!

I can see this vision crystallizing before are very eyes in the near future!

I see the Internet as Pay To Use / MB or GB, Software no longer sold, only accessible through Internet, the only way to get software would be to have it embedded with the OS, but that wouldn't come cheap for Windows, surely.

It seems to me this is the route they should have taken from the beginning!

An Encrypted + Embedded OS & Software would have been the ideal way to lock & protect your system!

I'll Admit that Open Office doesn't even compare to MS Office, but free is free! I can get use to Ubuntu & Open Office, but not because I'm cheap, but because soon maybe Ubuntu will be what Windows never was...

A Great OS! (Considering only if it went 100% embedded and they system was designed with that sole platform in mind.)

If Ubuntu went to Embedded it would music to my ears, truly! I don't want a hand held PC, I want a real PC with a great OS & good software on it!

If it was a small little PC with a low wattage cpu/gpu, like the ones AMD is coming out with soon, I'd be real happy!
Order my Ubuntu Embedded system with pre-selected software...

Am I hopeless dreaming, silly, or does this sound viable to anyone?

Your thoughts? (No trolling please)
Edited by _GTech - 1/29/11 at 1:20am
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While an embedded OS would be pretty handy (ROMMON for you Cisco people out there, everyone else can call it the "OH S*** Operating System" lol), a pay as you use internet connection would SUCK. Programs that are only accessible via the internet? That means I have to pay each and every time I use the program (because it comes out of my GB/month for internet access). No thanks. Pay to check my email? No thanks.

If things went your way I foresee Man In The Middle attacks going way up. There are easy ways to defeat encryption right now, publicly available for free. I would fear even more for my personal information than I already do.

Embedded software would be nice, but troublesome. When new hardware comes out, you would have to then upgrade your firmware for the software to be compatible with the new hardware (not in all cases, but in the future when USB 4.0 comes out, or we move to 128 bit OS and/or hardware...). Want to buy a new program? You have to get an expansion card for your PC with the software/firmware on it and plug that in. I'm not cool with that.

Some of what you are thinking would be nice, but some would be pretty irritating. I could be wrong, but that's just my
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I hear you mate but really for me here in Australia, there are places where the closest internet connection is 2 hours drive away unless you have expensive sat connections.
I use a netbook for most of the mobile work and love the low power concept 6-7 on the bat, and works in the most rugged conitions.

I think for the time being computers need to be stand alone if need be I also think that the problems with antitrust that some companies are having ATM will only get worse and that would further the distrust of these companies and nobody I know would hand over control to a company they don't trust.

Ubuntu is free and I trust them, because they are not controlling.

Windows is not free and I barely trust them but once you activate they leave you be.

Apple................................well after what they did to the guys from wired after their little stunt, don't get me started.

I love the concept of the "Mega Cloud" but I won't give up my stand alone ability without some really rock solid guarantees, and Telcos, ISPs and software companies are not good at those things.

PS. I think that Openoffice is the greatest virus ever 'sept maybe linux.
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First of all why do YOU care about piracy? Are you a content producer with a vested interest in seeing copyright expanded and zealously enforced?

Besides that I can't believe that people like you exist. If you want to be told exactly what you can do with your hardware and give up all control of it kudos for you, I guess, but where the hell do you get off saying it should be forced on everyone?

Anyway thankfully we have a free market here, which means "visionaries" like you can't enforce your totalitarian dreams upon the masses. While the cloud is obviously going to be more important going forward I think it is obvious that the demand for local OS/compute/storage will be there for a couple decades at least, meaning that someone will deliver it.

Why are you so gung-ho to cede ownership of your computer?
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Wow this thread went exactly where I thought it would...no where. I think the cloud idea has been rather well covered in various threads before and the thoughts of members on here show that we are not for it. I sometimes wonder just how many people realize how pathetic internet connectivity is in the US. And using a cell phone company's connection is really what would be left for everyone else. This is against everything in my being. You honestly believe that an OS dedicated to taking freedom from the user is a good idea? OK, then tell us how you would feel not being able to do anything with your computer if you don't have an internet connection? And correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying that the user should first pay to get online and then pay to access their programs and files? Are you made of money? This sounds like the perfect way to nickel and dime consumers.

@Doom: I'm confused. You say that you trust Ubuntu yet go on to say that linux is a virus. What?
     
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Most embedded systems are Linux, mostly Gentoo with a hardened kernel, because of it's stability and flexibility.

The killer NIC company uses Gentoo, NASA in their Phytec boards used in the mars rover and other devices use Gentoo.

When it comes to an embedded system, it will be good to have a source based Distro's with a minimalistic build since that is all there is room for in the embedded solution. You can then do with it what you want.

Most people don't know this, roughly 90% of electronic devices use some kind of embedded Linux solution. T.V.s, clocks, smartphones, printers, etc...etc...
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Ok, let me clarify some things, the Software through internet only IS NOT A DREAM, it's quickly becoming reality for some software, if you don't believe me, read the packaging on some of these newer games... INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED...

Granted I'm not saying you should HAVE to KEEP an internet connection to use the software, though you would indeed need to download the certificate to use it, and that may need to be updated every 3 months to a year, to ensure people are indeed paying for their software and it is held in a usable status to prevent piracy.. (if that's possible)

Ignore me about the internet thing, though I could be wrong, I can envision the corporations (greed being the big motivating factor) wanting to run their software from online only.

It's not about ME, it's about the future & what other corporations want, I'm not a dreamer, I'm looking at what is coming about and going on TODAY, take a look at ARM & Windows 8, and you may see more clearly what I'm talking about...

Canada just capped their internet and require you to pay for overages, and while most people in Canada may throw a fit, can they really stop it?

I'm not saying other countries will follow suit, but I believe American wireless internet is headed this way as well...

An embedded OS would be in a LOCKED ROM, that isn't erasable or writable! Updates from the internet would be required to run newer hardware / software if it wasn't usable by the OS already, which would most likely NOT be the case in most instances. Though the initial installation would most likely be done by the OEM, which would mean it would be certified & downloaded at the factory!

I think there are quite a few technologies that threaten to render many IT Tech shops poor, like automated or remote system recovery & repair, system backups (press F12 to recover system at startup), etc.

All in all I'm more for an independent system like we have now, where one installs their software they buy and the OS if it's a system they built themselves, etc. However, I'm saying for like Netbooks, small HTPCs it would be nice to see some embedded OS systems, surely....

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT for corporations taking away unlimited internet or making consumers download or use the internet to use their software, but it's quickly becoming a growing trend, and that does scare me...

Ubuntu on the other hand would be perfect for small form factor Embedded OS netbooks, etc..
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i read a bit... but mostly just skimmed this thread :/

people dont realize, just because the technology exists and its possible, doesnt mean its a good idea... that is all, dont feel like typing a half a page like everyone else lol
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The difficulty of an embedded os is the number of chips available all with different peripherals and many do not have a MMU.
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