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Hi there,

I've been a Xonar user since August, and so far I've been loving how does it sound with music (plain awesomesauce).

But I have an X-Fi Titanium aswell, which souds like holy trumpets while gaming.

So, I decided to plug the Titanium and try to tweak it for my music aswell (it's always been its weak point), since the Xonar engine wasn't as good in 3D positioning (no hardware EAX acceleration).

I installed all the driver packs, tweaked it to hell and back, but... I can't get rid of the music soundg as if it was stuck to my skull. Xonar felt like I was really listening to the music in an amphiteatre, while X-Fi sounds like they're playing inside my brain. And I hate that because sound is excessively directional. Bass spreads all over the place, while guitar solos play only in one side, or platter dings just play in the very center.


Is there any way of making my music sound "as it should"?



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Part of stereo music has always been about the placement of instruments in the soundstage. What you're hearing is probably how the music was originally mixed in the studio and is therefore sounding "as it should."
    
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are you running in audio creation mode with bit-matched and other stuffs turned off?
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OP: "[...] And I hate that because sound is excessively directional. Bass spreads all over the place, while guitar solos play only in one side, or platter dings just play in the very center."
I never use the "3-D function" but as a qualifying statement: good speakers/headphones will "project" sound. If you close your eyes and point at where the sound is coming from, your finger should point at an imaginary musician, not the speaker.

The X-Fi Sound Blaster doesn't magically "make music sound better". You have to know how to tweak it. It's the same with putting together a stereo-system with Audio tubes, pre-amp, wires, SACD player, mixer, etc: Sound equipment is not "plug-n-play" like your cpu, gpu, or consoles. In all honesty, audiogon.com forums are a good place to go to learn. All tweaking is useless if you don't understand what to listen for.
I have a Titanium X-Fi sound blaster, and have tweaked it 'til it sounded right for around four to twelve hours per session (I took breaks/went to class during these ofc, but that time is not included). In all honesty, I was only able to "shotgun" this process because of my experience with PA equipment and working with my dad on his audiophile setup.

I suggest:

turn off all the "extras" (i.e. 3-D, crystalizer, et merda)
Find a song that you love and have heard in high quality.
Go the EQ screen, and tweak it until the song sounds the same as when you heard it on AR-9s, Quintessence, or whatever other speaker.
Listen for a couple hours, and tweak.
Play a second favorite song. If it doesn't sound the way you like it, repeat the above process.

After all this, if you still have the strong urge to "bedazzle" your sound, now go and turn on the "extra" feature.
Edited by Ekemeister - 1/29/11 at 10:48am
    
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Originally Posted by Stillhouse;12187563 
Part of stereo music has always been about the placement of instruments in the soundstage. What you're hearing is probably how the music was originally mixed in the studio and is therefore sounding "as it should."

Aha. I prefer the "false" interpretation Xonar made, then frown.gif

@Aznboy: Creation mode with bit coincidence doesn't let me enable CMSS3D, what sucks because positional sound while gaming is uttercrap.

If I enable it, music still sounds light years better on Xonar.

@Ekemeister: I spent hours tweaking my Xonar aswell, and I've been two hours so far tweaking the X-Fi (more or less what I spent with the Xonar) and it still doesn't sound nowhere near the Xonar.

I'm not complaining about the quality of the reproduction itself, but the quality of the 3D placement. I don't wan music to be strapped onto my skull, since the band playing isn't. You know what I mean, yes? Guitars don't play right beside my ear, drums don't boom right on my nose, singer doesn't sing in my forehead.
They're all placed in front of me. Obviously with their respective positions, but I want them to be a meter or two ahead, not strapped onto my skull.


I don't know. Maybe the first time I installed the X-Fi it sounded like glory because I was coming from onboard, but seriously, the Xonar's Dolby Headphone Virtualization 7.1 the Xonar has is TERRIFIC compared to X-Fi's.
   
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Artikbot;12187729 
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@Ekemeister: I spent hours tweaking my Xonar aswell, and I've been two hours so far tweaking the X-Fi (more or less what I spent with the Xonar) and it still doesn't sound nowhere near the Xonar.

I'm not complaining about the quality of the reproduction itself, but the quality of the 3D placement. I don't wan music to be strapped onto my skull, since the band playing isn't. You know what I mean, yes? Guitars don't play right beside my ear, drums don't boom right on my nose, singer doesn't sing in my forehead.
They're all placed in front of me. Obviously with their respective positions, but I want them to be a meter or two ahead, not strapped onto my skull.

I don't know. Maybe the first time I installed the X-Fi it sounded like glory because I was coming from onboard, but seriously, the Xonar's Dolby Headphone Virtualization 7.1 the Xonar has is TERRIFIC compared to X-Fi's.

Okay. Your right about the "3-D sound feature", but that's crap on every sound card/mo-bo sound program I've encountered.

I personally wouldn't seriously consider turning it on until I actually had at least 5.0 speakers.
    
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Originally Posted by Ekemeister;12187801 
Okay. Your right about the "3-D sound feature", but that's crap on every sound card/mo-bo sound program I've encountered.

I personally wouldn't seriously consider turning it on until I actually had at least 5.0 speakers.

...so you wouldn't bother with using something to emulate surround sound...unless you actually had surround sound and therefore no reason to emulate it? confused.gif

Thats about as stupid as installing linux on the PS3 then running virtual box to run an virtual linux environment to run a PS3 emulator...
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Originally Posted by Ekemeister;12187801 
Okay. Your right about the "3-D sound feature", but that's crap on every sound card/mo-bo sound program I've encountered.

I personally wouldn't seriously consider turning it on until I actually had at least 5.0 speakers.

Hokay, I'll game a bit of BFBC2 with the CMSS3D disabled, and see how does the 3D object placement go.

@kyle:

Dolby Headphone worked wonders on Xonar. Light years better than what CMSS3D does. With music, I mean.


Gonna test a bit and come back.


Edit: Holy bejeebus!! It sounds MUCH more immersive without CMSS3D, even though the "elevation" is lower.

I guess that can be corrected.
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Oh btw!

I've solved my dilemma.

Plugged both Xonar and X-Fi.

When I game, I plug the headphones onto the X-Fi, enable it and done. Listening to music? Plug into the Xonar, enable it, and there we go biggrin.gif


Works without a flaw biggrin.gif
   
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