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Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed answer ACharmingQuark.

I already have the Razer Tarantula for keyboard and Logitech MX518 (acctually have 2 lol) for mouse. I don't have a UPS, but I have PS that will shut itself off if anything happens (like lightning).

Been looking at both those cases acctually, but I am just not sure about the rotated motherboard on the Silverstone FT02 and the cable management in the Lian Li PC-A77F?

As for monitor I was not thinking going that large. My monitor atm is 22'' (the Samsung 226CW), and going to 27'' would be quite a lot. I just think it might affect my performance in FPS-games (I play CSS competitivly). Btw, is it possible to have for example my 226CW for websurfing, chatting etc. at the same time as playing on another monitor, and then just switching the keyboard and mouse between the two with a hotkey?

Do you know anything about the Gainward Phantom 580 that tconroy135 was refering to?

On the Norwegian forum, everyone acctually said I HAD to get a SSD (if I could not be arsed to wait for the SSDs coming soon). Btw, isn't the Corsair P3 one of the new SSDs? I have heard that the C400 might not come out until like June or something
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Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed answer ACharmingQuark.

I already have the Razer Tarantula for keyboard and Logitech MX518 (acctually have 2 lol) for mouse. I don't have a UPS, but I have PS that will shut itself off if anything happens (like lightning).

Been looking at both those cases acctually, but I am just not sure about the rotated motherboard on the Silverstone FT02 and the cable management in the Lian Li PC-A77F?

As for monitor I was not thinking going that large. My monitor atm is 22'' (the Samsung 226CW), and going to 27'' would be quite a lot. I just think it might affect my performance in FPS-games (I play CSS competitivly). Btw, is it possible to have for example my 226CW for websurfing, chatting etc. at the same time as playing on another monitor, and then just switching the keyboard and mouse between the two with a hotkey?

Do you know anything about the Gainward Phantom 580 that tconroy135 was refering to?

On the Norwegian forum, everyone acctually said I HAD to get a SSD (if I could not be arsed to wait for the SSDs coming soon). Btw, isn't the Corsair P3 one of the new SSDs? I have heard that the C400 might not come out until like June or something
You're welcome - no problem. When I start writing, I sometimes cannot stop.

Okay - you're taken care of with a fine keyboard and legendary mice. An "active" PSU is fine - just remember it doesn't have back-up run-time, just shut-down so if you're in an area with power issues or you just overload your circuit (I plead nolo contendere in this case ) you are not protected. But - if you're okay with just power protection and no backup - it's your call.

You bring up valid points about the FT02 and the Lian Li - if you can't work with or don't like the reversed mobo setup on the FT02 it's not for you. The Lian Li does lack a bit in cable management, but if you get some cable management stuff like this kit for Lian Li 2009+ cases you'll be just fine. I just love Lian Li quality - have built in the past with them - yep, they're expensive, but your system deserves this kind of quality don't you think?

Understood about monitor size and gaming - what about a 22-24" Samsung then? I have several in the house as PC and cable monitors and love them. The GTX 580 you mention should easily drive two monitors and is good for what you state - as long as you can connect your current monitor to one of the DVI ports on the 580 and connect the new monitor to the other - nVidia cards are easy to setup for a dual-display. You will not lack for horsepower with the 580!

Can't help with personal experience on the Phantom from Gainward but WOW! That Gainward card sounds steamin'! See here for a discussion on the release by Palit (the parent company of Gainward) of that card.

ACQ Lust-From-Afar Rating for Gainward Phantom 580 = (Five 'droolies' is top rating!)

As to 'having' to get an SSD - they are a magnificent boot drive. Don't get them for data (and I assume you know that since you are getting a 2TB drive as well - at the risk of sounding like a nagging spouse don't get the Seagate btw as I fixed PC's for ten years and have seen more dead Seagates than possum road kill on the country roads by me!)

About waiting - well, what I said in my previous post. Personally I couldn't wait for the new Sandforce SSDs, but it all depends on you!

ACQ
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Guess I will just bump this baby up, if anyone else have some inputs?
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Sandy Bridge has been called back, so now it will not be out until like late February (and full stocks in April)...
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Sandy Bridge has been called back, so now it will not be out until like late February (and full stocks in April)...
Wait what? I thought they only had a slight problem with the Sata ports but it was quickly fixed? Anyways everything you have selected looks top notch. I feel any 1080p 20-24" should do you well, beyond that you have to consider either a multi monitor setup or a 2560x1440 workstation monitor. Hopefully the sandy bridge problem works itself out.
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Hello. First time poster. Just want to say I am Norwegian, so if there's anything that seems unclear because of my English, please just say so Btw, I hope this is the right thread, if not just move it

I have had a thread up on a Norwegian forum for a while now, and have got loads of inputs, but thought getting a second look at it would be a good idea. I am planing to build a new desktop, and have set aside 3000 quid for this. I know most people would go for multiple monitors (and/or watercooling), but I don't have the space for more monitors for the time being, and cba with watercooling (though I might in the future).

Here is the setup I have so far:

CPU: Intel Core™ i7 Quad Processor i7-2600K


For this budget great choice
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7 (or ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution?)


Personally just I'd go with the UD7. There is a very slight chance you may get a faulty chip set with the Asus boards. Now before I get yelled at by Asus Fanboys I understand this only occurs in 5-15% of boards and it only happens over an extended period of time but that isn't the reason I'd recommend the UD7 but because the UD7 is just a great board, lol
GPU: 2 x GeForce GTX 580 1536MB (don't know from which company though?)


Brand really doesn't matter all that much. If you plan on selling them soon then you want to get a brand like Asus which does their warranty on a serial number basis. If you do not I would go with a brand like EVGA which has a lifetime warranty but you do have to register it with your name.
PSU: Corsair AX 1200W


It is overkill for this rig unless you plan on getting another 580
RAM: Corsair Vengeance™ DDR3 1600MHz 2 x 4GB CL8 or Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600MHz 4 x 2GB CL8


Is there a reason you need to get 8gb of RAM?? Also if you do want to get 8gb of RAM then go with 2X4gb sets rather then filling up all your DIMM slots and hurting your overclock. IMO I would go with a set of G.Skill ECO, G.Skill Ripjaw, or a nice set of Mushkin RAM. Corsair is nice but you are paying a very high premium for a name rather then actual performance when you can get Mushkin/G.Skill RAM that will perform the same or better for a cheaper price.
HDD: Seagate Barracuda XT 7200.12 2TB


Not a bad choice for storage but personally I would rather go with a pair of Samsung F3 1TBs in RAID 0 for great speed while still being a reliable drive.
SSD: Tbh, not sure which one to go for. I was thinking of the Crucial RealSSD C300 2,5" 128GB, but just saw that the Corsair SSD Performance 3 Series 128GB came out. Should I mabye go for the Corsair, or will there be some better SSDs in the (really) near future?


Apparently there are some new sand force memory controllers coming out from what I've heard.
Case: Been going back and forth now. My definitiv favourite is the Corsair Obsidian 800D, but I have heard it has problems with air cooling (can this be fixed with changing of fans, and adding more fans, but without modding?). I don't really like the looks of for example the CM HAF X and Antec 1200. I have also been looking at the CM Cosmos S, some Lian Li cases (but cable management looks bad on most), Silverstone Raven/Fortress, NZXT Phantom and CM ATCS 840


The Corsair 800D is a great case but it is more built for watercooling then air cooling. Lian Li cases are extremely well built but you will pay for it in the price. The Silverstone Raven/Fortress are some of the best cases for air cooling. The only issue you may have is that the motherboard is rotated 90 degrees sot that the motherboard panel is actually facing upwards towards the top of the case.
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar D2X/XDT, 7.1 channel (Seems good from reviews)


You pretty much can't go wrong with the ASUS Xonar series. I bought the low end Xonar DG with the built in head phone amplifier and it is simply amazing. I can only imagine the higher end cards
DVD/Blu-ray-player: Lite-On Blu-Ray Reader IHOS104-37 (guess that one is fine?)


As long as it works.
Monitor: As this is mainly for gaming I have not really looked at IPS because of the high latency. The best gaming laptop I seem to find is the nVIDIA 3D Vision & BenQ 23,6" XL2410T (the 3D kit is just in the bundle with the monitor).


Cooling: As I asked earlier, I am not sure if I need to replace fans, add fans etc? Also what do you think for CPU-cooling. Most large CPU-coolers conflict with the ribs on the RAM, so I was mabye thinking of going for the Corsair H70, what do you think?


Cooler wise it depends on which RAM you have, which motherboard you get and your case. You really can't go wrong with the Cooler Master 212+ but for this budget you can do better. Like you said the Noctua is probably the best air cooler out except for the Silver Arrow which is simply massive. I would go with the Noctua, Megahalems or the H50. the H70 is nice but I don't think it is really worth it over the H50 for the price. If you are willing to spend that much you are better off just getting the XSPC Rasa 240mm kit which will cool much better for a little bit more money.
I will be buying all the components from the same Norwegian webstore, if anyone wanted to know (most likely from www.amentio.no as they are the cheapest, if not I will be buying from www.dustinhome.no or www.komplett.no)

If I forgot anything just ask!

- Espen Andreassen
All my responses are in bold!! Hope you enjoy your new build.
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Wait what? I thought they only had a slight problem with the Sata ports but it was quickly fixed? Anyways everything you have selected looks top notch. I feel any 1080p 20-24" should do you well, beyond that you have to consider either a multi monitor setup or a 2560x1440 workstation monitor. Hopefully the sandy bridge problem works itself out.
Intel has called back all Sandy Bridge motherboards and have recommended everyone that has built a system with LGA1155 motherboards and all resellers to return the boards, and stop selling them. Saw somewhere that Intel is set to lose around $1 billion. It is, as you said, the sata chip on the boards that is causing the problem. The chip that the SATA ports are connected may degrade over time, and the HDD and DVD-drivers connected might lose functionality and performance (no idea how long it will take until this happens and how high the chance is for it happening).
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All my responses are in bold!! Hope you enjoy your new build.
Thanks VW_TDI_02!

Few comments:

I was thinking of getting two 580 GTXs (think I wrote 2x580GTX?). About the RAM, I would have got Mushkin or G.Skill, but none of the companies I have to order from sell them (so I guess Corsair is my best choice). If price was no issue would you still recommend the H50 over the H70? Wish there was more information on the new SSDs

Think my main problem is picking the case (and ofcourse now the CPU/Motherboard as Sandy Bridge has been called back)
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Thanks VW_TDI_02!

Few comments:

I was thinking of getting two 580 GTXs (think I wrote 2x580GTX?). About the RAM, I would have got Mushkin or G.Skill, but none of the companies I have to order from sell them (so I guess Corsair is my best choice). If price was no issue would you still recommend the H50 over the H70? Wish there was more information on the new SSDs

Think my main problem is picking the case (and ofcourse now the CPU/Motherboard as Sandy Bridge has been called back)
If price were not an issue then definitely go with the H70 as it does out perform the H50. But in my opinion if you are willing to pay that much you should go with the XSPC Rasa RS 240 kit for $129.99 dollars. I'm not sure if you can find that kit but if you can then that would be great:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11..._Hot_Item.html
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Hello again everyone.

I decided to wait because of the callback of Sandy Bridge. And seeing it's hitting the stores soon, I am looking at the computerparts again.

I will just list the parts I have decided on so far and then ask questions afterwards:

CPU: Intel Core™ i7 Quad Processor i7-2600K
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7
GPU: 2 x GeForce GTX 580 1536MB
PSU: Corsair AX 1200W
RAM: Corsair Vengeance™ DDR3 1600MHz 2 x 4GB CL8, Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600MHz 4 x 2GB CL8, Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600MHz 4 x 2GB CL7 or CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT DDR3 2000MHz 4 x 2GB --> Questions after.
HDD: Seagate Barracuda XT 7200.12 2TB
SSD: Ocz Vertex 3 120GB
Case: Corsair Obisdian 800D
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar D2X/XDT
DVD/Blu-ray-player: Lite-On Blu-Ray Reader IHOS104-37
Monitor: nVIDIA 3D Vision & BenQ 23,6" XL2410T Bundle
Cooling: Corsair H70, Thermalright Silver Arrow or Noctua D14 + case fans --> Questions after.

Questions:
After going from one product to the other, I am now pretty much set on these, but as you see I am having some difficulties regarding RAM and cooling. The problem with RAM is that I have heard that only Corsair Vengeance (1,5V) is "fully supported" by Sandy Bridge, but if I want to go with Thermalright Silver Arrow for example it will collide with the heatsinks on the RAM, and removing those heatsinks would void the warranty from what I have heard. If I then decided to go for Corsair Dominator or Dominator GT I would be able to remove the heatsinks without voiding the warranty, but I have heard that 1,65V is too much for the Sandy Bridge motherboards.

I have also decided to try and get the computer more quiet (better CFM/dBA). I have heard that the default fans coming with the Corsair Obsidian 800D are not that good. Therefore I have been looking at some different 120mm and 140mm fans, and been considering which optional fans I want to add as well. Should I install all the optional fans?

The fans I have been looking at are:
120mm:
http://www.techbay.no/art-8.asp?id=544&iPageID=61
140mm:
http://www.dustinhome.no/pd_5010380214.aspx (120mm holes though)
http://www.techbay.no/art-8.asp?id=627&iPageID=62
(I have also heard that the Noiseblocker 140mm are not too bad).

Does the rest seem fine? SSD ok? Anything to add?

Regards
Espen Andreassen
Edited by Espen - 3/14/11 at 2:41pm
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