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Originally Posted by BigFan View Post
What about maintainance? I would assume that would cost something, but, I see your point otherwise
Maintenance isn't dependent upon usage.

Atleast I don't believe so.
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post
The biggest problem is that people dont know about this and they can get away with it. Everyone at least in Canada should spreed the word. Just wondering what are the caps in USA?
Any capping that goes on in the USA is counterbalanced by a free market economy where other players are free to enter the market and take the disgruntled customers from companies that can't compete.

In Canada, pretty much the whole Internet is controlled by a tiny handful of players. So maybe you go with some "independent" company, but you end up paying Bell their share because they own the lines from your house, or because they own the poles the cable company is using, or because they own all of the name servers, or the main routers. We do not have a free market, it is controlled by a duopoly that engage in the same style of collusion that the big oil companies engage in. And not only that they engage in this activity, but the Government is more than happy to put the appropriate legislation into place to enforce it by all means possible.

The Government is in love with Bell, they allow them to do pretty much anything, from poisoning and irradiating their employees, providing sub-standard working environments that are more dangerous and less regulated than heavy construction, and allow them to loot the customers because it adds sales taxes to the revenue stream. Not to mention the outright payola that goes on, the massive cash payouts stuffed into the pockets of the politicians - the same politicians that put legislation in that allow corporations to write off millions of dollars in taxes if they make cash payments to political parties.

Remember, this is a nation that saw fit to ban Money For Nothing, based on one clueless moron lodging a frivolous complaint that should have ever seen the light of day.

Not that I should really care - my neighbourhood doesn't have high speed Internet, and with the constant litigation going on over who owns what poles on the street, and who gets to string their wires - I expect to be on dial-up for the long term.
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Originally Posted by BigFan View Post
What about maintainance? I would assume that would cost something, but, I see your point otherwise
Yeah, but we are talking Bell. They spend most of their time and cash on doing frivolous things, like changing their logo every year, or obfuscating their billing so it takes more sheets of paper to say less than ever before, and the endless call centers where you can get lost for half a day because of a billing error.

Maintenance - good luck, they are the first to accuse you of ruining their lines, like you downloaded something that caused their fifty year old copper wires to fail three miles away, or perhaps you plugged in a cordless phone without buying into their fraudulent package.

The only thing that makes Rogers "better" is that they are slightly less awful. But both those companies have the politicians by the noonies, and get everything they want without having to provide anything in return. They even manage to bully all other players out. Like our public utility wanted to get in big with fiber optics like five years ago, and that went down in flames faster than the Hindenberg once it got into the money grubbing hands of the politicians that ended that folly.
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Here is a template for a letter someone posted on one of the sites. If you seriously oppose this and are affacted by it (or fear being affected in the future), take the time to read it and formulate your own letter. It may take some time, but is well worth it. I have written and signed my own today and have faxed and emailed it to every source I could find. This is a serious issue, and I will do everything I think may help to try and stop it.

EDIT: more sample letters can be found HERE. I will be spending my evening writing and mailing out letters to every person I can.

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Dear Representative,

I made the decision to write to you because I am very worried by the decisions made recently by the Canadian Radio-television Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), concerning the access and the tariffs imposed on independent internet services suppliers. Please consult the “Decision of telecom CRTC 2011-44 Usage-based billing for Gateway Access Services and third-party Internet access services” (” http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-44.htm“)

The CRTC was created, among other reasons, to regulate the market and to ensure (at least) certain consumer protections. However, it has become obvious that the alleged “regulator” exists only for the benefit of large service providers, such as Rogers, Bell and Cogeco — particularly in the province of Ontario and in the Quebec region of the federal capital (Gatineau-Hull). The decisions of the CRTC have often been criticized for forcing small, independent suppliers of internet services (ISPs) to be subject to the abuses of the Canadian oligopolies in the communication industry (the three large firms already mentioned, plus Vidéotron in Quebec). But this recent decision concerning the “usage-based” Internet shows very clearly that the CRTC has no interest in protecting the consumers they are meant to represent, particularly with respect to the use of Internet. In fact, the decision of the CRTC puts and end to the idea of “unlimited” Internet in Canada, by imposing high additional rates for access to information networks.

This decision will lead to a decline in innovation and development, and a reduction of the variety of internet services and products on the Canadian market. Indeed, the CRTC ruling green-lights a collective limitation of the production capacity of the Internet service market, by controlling the existing capacity and limiting any extensions of that capacity (which would be effective in creating truly competing conditions). Bell Canada abuses its dominant position in the market, in spite of having built its network/infrastructure with public money. Do not forget only Bell, Rogers and Shaw, like Telus and Vidéotron, control the majority of publications, radios and televisions in this country, and have an interest in protecting these traditional sources of revenue — which are losing the attention of a very important segment of the population who strongly support the Internet as a tool for information, communication, development and civic organization.

I believe, like many others, that it is time to tackle this problem. Perhaps you have already read the articles published recently by the Globe and Mail, or the other newspapers addressing these questions. Michael Geist, professor at the University of Ottawa and a specialist in Law and Media, writes frequently on this subject, both on his personal site as well as in the Toronto Star. However, what I have not seen is a movement, or interest in this subject in the House of Commons. Where is the intervention of our elected representatives? Your district contains a strong minority of well educated people, well-informed on the subject of their rights and electronic freedoms; moreover, several of them use the Internet regularly to maintain the bonds with their families and friends elsewhere in the world. Imagine for one moment what people will say when they realize that they have to pay three times more than before for their Internet service — service which is not even comparable to that which exists in other member states of the G-20. I ensure you that there are many Canadians who strongly express great concern for this question and the decision of our representatives — to act or not to act vis-a-vis this question, for many consumers, will not be forgotten when election time comes.

Sincerely,

Edited by Polska - 1/31/11 at 11:46am
    
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This needs a good bump!
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Originally Posted by mega_option101 View Post
This needs a good bump!
It does. Looks like the government has stepped in, hopefully it'll be overturned. I saw a thread posted about this already but I think it was deleted

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBC
The federal government will decide by March 1 whether to reject a CRTC decision on usage-based internet billing, after Prime Minister Stephen Harper requested a review.

Harper's communications director, Dimitri Soudas, confirmed the review Tuesday, saying the government was "very concerned" about the impact of the CRTC ruling on consumers.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/201...#ixzz1CkPBxZWg
http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/201...g-clement.html
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My family settled in Minnesota after leaving Germany in the late 1800', so they're practically canadian

I've signed! Good luck folks! I really hope your government steps in and removes this BS.
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I am pretty sure only 10% of those that get Internet use smaller companies. This means that the other 90% are either using Bell or Rogers which has had this going for 2 years now.
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I dont get it, how can you guys use more than 60 GB a month, I never use to go above my 30Gb cap when I was with Videotron, and now unless I buy alot of games from steam I don't have a problem. Im against this thing but no one needs more for legal reason
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I dont get it, how can you guys use more than 60 GB a month, I never use to go above my 30Gb cap when I was with Videotron, and now unless I buy alot of games from steam I don't have a problem. Im against this thing but no one needs more for legal reason
are you serious, you may be an only child, but here there is 5 people on the net all the time. From steam games to netflix movies to online tv shows we use easily our 125gb cap.
    
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