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Okay, so I've got my rig put together and functional after shelving it for almost a year, and now that its all happily running, I am wondering if its at all worth the risk to the processor to overclock my 3.2Ghz P4 Northie setup? It would be my first attempt at doing so, as this was my first attempt at building a rig from the motherboard up, and so I've limited exposure to benchmarks and bios tweaks and what that all means when translated to real world applications that the pc would be used for (ie- streaming video primarily, possibly encoding/decoding various media - seems like the most intensive things it would involve would be Photoshop and lots of browser windows open simultaneously.)

In toying with the settings and experimenting for the heck of it I simply used the AI overclocking feature on the ASUS board to ramp it up 5% which effectively raised the Passmark rating from 545 to 566, but I don't know if this is stable for any length of time (and if I set it to 10% it fails entirely). It seems like beyond raising benchmarks (which I don't really understand anyways - I don't even know if the score is relatively good or bad for the system) a couple of points I wouldn't notice a real world difference in how this would handle applications though. Would it even be worth the risk to bother? And if so, is it better to use the AI feature that says "overclock 5%" or better to manually set the bios for the CPU at 210 instead of 200 (or is it essentially the exact same thing)?
    
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Any enthusiast says to do it in the bios, but I think for figuring out your max, it works real well to use the utility and then, once it is finalized, put it in the bios. I have done a little ocing (200 to 210) and I really don't notice a difference.
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Always do it in the bios. Software works but can cause...issues. I had my Tuner6 software actually corrupt my bios! THANK YOU GIGABYTE FOR DUAL BIOS!

Also as far as your P4 is, you aren't getting much out of it....New computer NOW

But with proper cooling I have seen 4.0-4.5GHz on a P4. Still if you got a cheap dual core (even an e5300) it would beat the snot out of it if you got it to 4.0. But that chip is an old 478 is it not?

If so get a nice socket 775 system. You can get a new mobo, ram, and chip for about 300 if you know where to look.
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Exactly what Xeb said, software OC = bad

For my first OC I set my i7 930 to 3.6GHz with software.

It decided to be stable I would need 1.4volts... I nearly shat myself (it's high)



As for small OCs, most people can't tell the difference in an overclock under 10%.
    
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Good info, thanks everyone. I think I may play with it a little to just see what feels most sprightly in the settings. If it seems stable and feels quick I'll probably just turn it up a notch since I do have another 3.2 P4 Prescott sitting around gathering dust so I guess if I lose the Northie eventually it won't be a big deal anyway. A new rig is definitely in the future, but for a first timer I'm pretty pleased with the results of this one so far. I don't do any gaming except on the console so its biggest chore is rendering HD video. I was thinking even a little help from a 5% OC might be welcomed there since the hd 3850 is great with 3d but abysmal with 2d so was less useful in that area than I would have hoped =)

Thanks for the input!
    
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