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Originally Posted by session_user;12216843 
Actually I consider myself "A hater for the people". The virtual embodiment of of a rage that most 1366 buyers are too polite to express publicly. I can be the sour grapes, I can be the expression of vindicated frustration.

I'm the rube who thought he could buy an Intel "futureproof" system. I'm the man who prays AMD does something that mattrers with Bulldozer so I can get away from this company who sees customers as dollars and not people.

I also love to gloat, especially about Sandy Bridge Fail.

You may want to fill out your system specs so we know where you're coming from.

For the record, not all 1366 users are bitter over SB. I don't understand why 1366 are to begin with, as SB's success means we have something to look forward to in IB's 6-8 core processors, which people like myself will greatly benefit from.

Also, AMD & Intel are both companies whose aim is to make money, period.

Surely you remember when AMD sold dual cores for $1000 right? If they cared so much for you, why didn't they sell it for $300-$500 instead? They had no competition at the time, and milked it didn't they? That was just 4 years ago....

Today, the only reason AMD processors are priced the way they are, is because they can't outperform Intel processors, period.

If you can't outperform them, then go for the price/performance crown.

IF AMD processors outperformed Intel's processors NOW, and were priced the way they are, only then would I understand the AMD praises.

I've had both AMD & Intel rigs over the years too just thought I'd point that out. I'll always choose whoever offers the best performance.
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Originally Posted by grunion;12216503 
During the cpu benchmark, no.
During the gpu benchmark, yes.



You really are upset about SB, funny actually.

You came from a high end 775 setup didn't you?

Is there any difference in the usage of the gpus compared to your old setup?

Until you can bottleneck on the cpu 1155 or 1366 won't really matter, its after the point where your cpu can't supply the gpu(s) that SB should have some sort of advantage.

I guess the other part of that is how fast it can render cpu based physx like Havok in BFBC2.

At least thats how I think it works, sometimes slower chips like what AMD has provide a slightly lower fps though even when the cpu isn't bottlenecking.
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You came from a high end 775 setup didn't you?

Is there any difference in the usage of the gpus compared to your old setup?

Until you can bottleneck on the cpu 1155 or 1366 won't really matter, its after the point where your cpu can't supply the gpu(s) that SB should have some sort of advantage.

I guess the other part of that is how fast it can render cpu based physx like Havok in BFBC2.

At least thats how I think it works, sometimes slower chips like what AMD has provide a slightly lower fps though even when the cpu isn't bottlenecking.

Well Crysis usage was always pegged with my x48.
BC2 would fluctuate 80-100, but the performance difference is negligible when I'm always >80 fps.
I do see the fps increase with fraps, take away the fps counter and there's no discernible difference.
I've yet to play a game that made me say wow it was worth the upgrade to SB.
I thought M2033 would be that game, just because the benchmark tool showed substantially higher fps, but once I actually played, not so much.
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Not so much fps difference, or not so much "wow factor"?

lol I felt the same way about going from my x6 1090T to the SB chip, I see almost no difference between to two - but I figured I was a bad example since I don't have a lot of gpu power and most the games I play can take advantage of more than 2 cores.

I see a fps difference in my benchmarking - but it's not a huge gain and really didn't change how I preceptive my gaming experience. Next up is a second gtx 470 /w wb... Lets hope it does more than the socket change frown.gif Else I may stick with this setup until 2020 - perhaps then upgrading will make sense.
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Hey... I'm a 1366 user and I just built the machine in December.

I could care less about SB... meaning that... I'm not bashing on it & I'm happy with my uber fast machine even if SB outperforms it because the reality of it is... I know my 1366 will run anything & everything. Heck even my 2nd 755 machine is still pretty darn fast.

And I don't have a smug smile to all the SB owners & the situation they are in with the chipset issue because down to even the 755 proc... they are all sick fast processors and even the 755 extremes can still expensive as all hell.

Technology is technology. Everyone on this forum should know that their hardware is obsolete the minute they buy it. Does anyone remember "It's all about the Pentiums" by Weird Al?

When you come to that realization then no matter how much $$ you drop on something, you will always feel good about your purchase.
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But you area a 1366 owner... you MUST be angry and frustrated tongue.gif ehehhee

Hey, now seriously, i'm really glad about SB. It's an amazing little chip ... but ... that's it ... it's a little chip!!! AHAHAH i'm more like "big toys for big boys" LOL

Ok, that wasn't serious ... now it is ...

SB will be in history in terms of mainstream performance. It's simply the best chip you can get at the moment ... even with the 6 cores smile.gif

If you are doing hardcore rendering and encoding, well, maybe the 6 cores will take the highlight spot there...

But everything else...meh smile.gif
Edited by Pedros - 2/1/11 at 3:45am
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Originally Posted by session_user;12216001 
Get one with a Black CPU-Z logo, Sandy Bridge owners get frustrated knowing they will never get that black 1366 e-peen.

LoL... nah ... it's a Xeon wink.gif If my hopes are right, kicks the black logo's arse smile.gif
Edited by Pedros - 2/1/11 at 3:44am
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Are you talking to yourself?

Oic, bottom quote... Must be something they do in other countries frown.gif
    
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there... changed... wink.gif
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared;12195653 
The past couple of weeks we've seen a major divide amongst our fellow Intel brethren. Instead of Intel vs Amd it has turned into internal fighting, and the cost has been information. Most the debates revolve around opinion, and I believe it's time to change all that, by producing a thread filled with facts.

To do this we need to put some rules in place, one of the major ones is max cores/threads allowed needs to be set in stone at 4. The reason for this is because games today generally do not support more than 4 cores/threads, and many of them support only 2-3. To balance the equation, and bring facts in a world where benchmarks use all available cores and threads we must limit them ourselves to find the truth.

With that in mind, I will provide a cpu score from 3D Mark Vantage, other requests can be made, and I welcome users of 1366 chips of all walks of life to provide their results, but please remember to disable HT and limit yourself to 4 cores and 4 threads only.

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As we can see a i5-2500k running 5GHz with 4 cores and 4 threads gets a score of just over 25000 (no - that isn't something I planned).

However 1 test isn't going to be enough, so please suggest other cpu related gaming tests we can all do as a community to shed some light on the subject of Intel and it's current gaming capabilities.

Here is an example of what I was able to achieve with 4 cores, and 4 threads on my AMD 965:

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Dude, if you said FOR GAMING ONLY, you should have all cores enabled for 980X, and two x16 x16 and tri-channel, it's the only way to see the full potential performance, then test it on real games: RUSE, GTAIV, Metro 2033, FSX, FFXIV benchmark, Crysis 2 (when it comes out) + all patched obviously.
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