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It's not that there's no difference - there is. It's just useless. I'm about as picky as it gets (I actually refuse to play UT at 60hz) but there are instances where it just doesn't matter.

I can see it in SC2, but who cares? It's not a fast game. I'd rather put my money into a nice IPS panel if I played that.

The only reason I even own a 120hz panel is because (as I said earlier) I play competitively in UT... and there are very few players in NA with better hitscan than mine (not sure how I can say that without appearing cocky redface.gif ).

I have yet to try and compare games at 60 vs 120, but I can imagine that if it was more fluid and I actually played a lot of games that I could max out at like 100 fps, then I would not say it was useless. You don't max out all settings in BFBC2 to be better at it. (most settings, that is) you do it so it looks pretty. Smooth and fluid gameplay = pretty. To me at least. I started playing wow again, and a 570 should do fairly well in most cases tongue.gif
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It should look smoother, if your computer could handle 120 fps. When you put vsync on, it would lock the framerate at 120 fps rather than 75 or 60. With vsync off, your graphics card will work at 100% and get as many frames as it can, but they wouldn't all show.
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I have yet to try and compare games at 60 vs 120, but I can imagine that if it was more fluid and I actually played a lot of games that I could max out at like 100 fps, then I would not say it was useless. You don't max out all settings in BFBC2 to be better at it. (most settings, that is) you do it so it looks pretty. Smooth and fluid gameplay = pretty. To me at least. I started playing wow again, and a 570 should do fairly well in most cases
By saying 'useless' I'm implying it won't help you be a better player. It does look nicer than 60hz, but an IPS panel also looks amazing. I'd choose the IPS if you want a quality/pretty picture.

FYI: I play UT at the absolute lowest settings possible. I could care less if it looks like crap, I don't play it for the visuals.
    
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I used to have an SSD and i thought it was a waste of cash but meh lol
Your full of it lol a SSD demolishes the best HDDs. I wonder what kind of SSD you were using!
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Originally Posted by i_hax View Post
By saying 'useless' I'm implying it won't help you be a better player. It does look nicer than 60hz, but an IPS panel also looks amazing. I'd choose the IPS if you want a quality/pretty picture.

FYI: I play UT at the absolute lowest settings possible. I could care less if it looks like crap, I don't play it for the visuals.
Yeah, I was talking more about range of vision and stuff like that, settings that do give you an edge.

And this is the exact dilemma I have. Get a nice 120Hz, like the Benq24" or something like a u2711 from dell.
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It seems like people really can't agree. I would say that if you can easily notice the difference in logging in to Win7, then you would be able to see it even in SC2. Of course when actually running fps above 60.

I am thinking about getting a 570 along with the benQ 24" True 120 Hz, so that would help me get some better frames, to begin with, but I guess it's more for SLI 580's with any new game.
Agree on whether you actually need it? It's just like arguing if you want a 3-way GTX 580 setup in your rig on this forum - and you know where that gets you here.

Agreeing on whether you can actually see a difference? There's no arguing that - you CAN see a difference. No question about it. How big? Well, it depends on the games you play; for FPS players I think it's the best thing that can happen to you - especially if you rig can push anywhere near 100FPS. Otherwise, it'll sort of being like having a third GTX 580 - yeah, it's there and the performance might be awesome, but if that card were to disappear you wouldn't lose any sleep.

And btw, unless a person can say they've actually used a 120Hz monitor, please don't listen to them - it'll be for your benefit, trust me. And yes, I use a 120Hz monitor.
 
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Agree on whether you actually need it? It's just like arguing if you want a 3-way GTX 580 setup in your rig on this forum - and you know where that gets you here.

Agreeing on whether you can actually see a difference? There's no arguing that - you CAN see a difference. No question about it. How big? Well, it depends on the games you play; for FPS players I think it's the best thing that can happen to you - especially if you rig can push anywhere near 100FPS. Otherwise, it'll sort of being like having a third GTX 580 - yeah, it's there and the performance might be awesome, but if that card were to disappear you wouldn't lose any sleep.

And btw, unless a person can say they've actually used a 120Hz monitor, please don't listen to them - it'll be for your benefit, trust me. And yes, I use a 120Hz monitor.
Yeah, the difference is there, and I really want to try it for some of my games. I play quite a lot of single player FPS, some mulitplayer, and then WoW. I guess a bad thing is that a 120 Hz monitor gives you more incentive to pay even more for more and better graphics cards, so you can get those 100 fps
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Yeah, that's the biggest downside to it lol. I've always said that there's only one way to really find out, and that's to get the stuff!!!!

I've seen it as the only thing you really have to lose is a lot more money.
 
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Ok so 120hz does make a difference in smoothness when turning quickly etc.

If 60hz screen has a quicker response time would the 120hz still be better for fast paced gaming. Or is the difference so small in response time that it wont matter at all.

First two tests on true 120hz and third one is 60hz, all three have 0input lag

Response time (0%-100%)------ 9,5 ms --15,7 ms -2,7 ms
Response time (100%-0%)------ 1,4 ms --1,1 ms --1,1 ms
Response time (0%-100%-0%)-10,9ms--16,8 ms -3,8 ms
Response time (20%-80%)------ 8,1 ms --8,3 ms --4,3 ms
Response time (80%-20%)------- 2 ms ---1,4 ms --1,3 ms
Response time (20%-80%-20%)-10,1 ms--9,7ms --5,6 ms
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The people who forked out more cash to buy one will probably say yes. Those who did side-by-side comparisons of 120hz and 60hz in the store will probably say no.

If it's not for 3d uses, you'll probably only end up convincing yourself that there's a difference. The question is whether it's worth it to you to.

I have a question: At faster refresh rates, how much does response time matter? i.e., when you get up to 120Hz, the time interval between consecutive frames is about 8ms, which is about the average (maybe a bit higher) response time for 60Hz monitors. Would there be more benefit in having a 60Hz monitor with a 2ms response time (readily available), or a 120Hz monitor with a 5-8ms response time (pretty average)? I've never quite grasped where the trade-off is as we go to higher and higher refresh rates.
    
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