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This is the vrm that is/was burning out on the 570 and 590:

http://www.chilsemi.com/products/mul...llers/chl8266/

It is the same used in the GTX 480 and 580, so its a high quality vrm. The problem seems to be not so much in the quality but the quantity of vrms used. HOWEVER, I do believe that the quality *may* be inconsistent under high loads with the 4+2 vrm phase cards where we may see some vrms blowing out and others not (even under high volts/OC). But when the load is spread out on 6+2 phase vrms as on some non reference cards, the inconsistency factor is removed I believe.
I saw a review comparing the 580 and 570 stock coolers. The 570 had a higher taller cooler where the vapor chamber came off the GPU, I wonder if it's a problem with the vrm's not touching the cooler well?
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ive been through quite a few pages and i cant find the answer. Can I ask someone who knows and is not speculating, what the current situation is with gtx 570s?

Are they still dying?

what was the cause? Was it purely down to disabling volt limiter? If so whats the max volt you can have with the limiter on?

And which gtx 570s are considered safe? Some people mentioned 6 power phase or reference pcb? Sorry how do you tell?
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I've been on my 2nd 570 for a few weeks now, stock volts @ 800 core/1600 shader. I just setup hotkeys for auto fan speed and 64% when gaming just to keep it under 70c, whereas it hovers around 80 on auto, still safe, but yea .

I burned the first one because I was being impatient & changeing the volts and clocks around too fast. Id take this one past 800 but I dont want to be greedy and fry it when its already blazeing fast .
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I burned the first one because I was being impatient & changeing the volts and clocks around too fast. Id take this one past 800 but I dont want to be greedy and fry it when its already blazeing fast .
I'm on my first 570 and have had it OC'd for a couple months now and it's been fine. When you say 'changing the volts and clocks around too fast', what do you mean? Constantly changing them while in the middle of a game? I start my computer and, depending what game I'm gonna play, OC it with one of three Profiles I have. Then 'Reset' it when I'm done with the game. If you don't mind, could you elaborate?
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I'm on my first 570 and have had it OC'd for a couple months now and it's been fine. When you say 'changing the volts and clocks around too fast', what do you mean? Constantly changing them while in the middle of a game? I start my computer and, depending what game I'm gonna play, OC it with one of three Profiles I have. Then 'Reset' it when I'm done with the game. If you don't mind, could you elaborate?
What your doing on a simple clocks over clock is fine. A profile set for gaming and then hitting reset back to default for regular usage isn't going to hurt your card at all.

Off topic for a paragraph: I used to do it to my EVGA GTX 580 with a gaming profile even though it can play games maxed settings at stock clocks it's still fun for an over clocker. I currently keep a 24/7 over clock now that is a safe comfort zone which I'm more than happy with on a 13% OC. In fact I down clocked voltage on my card from default, so I'm very comfortable.

I digress, What the above user was doing was over volting to get a higher clock stable. When clocks start to show artifacting a simple voltage bump usually brings it stable. However a lot of the 570's that went 'poof' had the voltage limiter disabled and users pushed the voltage too high to try and acheive higher over clocks. Sometimes even an over voltage without disabling the voltage limiter was too much for the VRM on the 570, but that varies from card to card.

If your not using an over voltage you'll be fine. Simply applying over clocks has not produced any 570's that died. Also as an EVGA owner you'll find that IF you should have to go through any kind of RMA, they are hands down the best company as their customer service and waranty are untouchable.
     
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I've been on my 2nd 570 for a few weeks now, stock volts @ 800 core/1600 shader. I just setup hotkeys for auto fan speed and 64% when gaming just to keep it under 70c, whereas it hovers around 80 on auto, still safe, but yea .

I burned the first one because I was being impatient & changeing the volts and clocks around too fast. Id take this one past 800 but I dont want to be greedy and fry it when its already blazeing fast .
Thank you for your honesty about over volting that caused it to fry. +1 rep as on OCN member.

ALOT of users claimed fault to the card itself not being honest it was their own doings that contributed to the 570's demise. This spread like wild fire naturally and caused an enigma about the 570's. Don't have figures but there are tons of reference 570's that haven't been over voltaged with over clocks doing just fine from day one to this day.

Having less power phases really hurt the referece card design in all honesty, and not found in non-reference cards. Hence why the non-reference cards are doing sooo much better in sales for the 570 line. Unlike the 580's six power phases the 570 reference only has four.

Wrong move to save money on Nvidia's part and does make the reference 570's not good for pushing it past normal over clocks as many of us on OCN like to do. The normal market end users dosen't even know there is a problem and love their 570's performance gaming just the way it is out of the box.
     
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The normal market end users dosen't even know there is a problem and love their 570's performance gaming just the way it is out of the box.
I do.
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Been wondering this for a while...

The same thing that happens to a 570 happens to a 590, correct? Lack of VRegs or power phases?
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Been wondering this for a while...

The same thing that happens to a 570 happens to a 590, correct? Lack of VRegs or power phases?
It's got a voltage regulator which is being disabled to over volt higher than specs. It's the four power phases on reference 570's as opposed to the six on non-reference 570's that other vendors put out which do much better.

Naturally makes not the best over clocker as a lot of cards you can over volt a bit past spec to acheive higher benchmarks, not the case for reference 570's. Still a very powerful card for today's gaming but on OCN if it don't over clock well it's not considered worth it.
     
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You can't blame it all on user error. Based on the shear amount of dead cards we saw in a short time, many of which without disabling software regulation, it's quite clear that there was a bad batch, most of which were EVGA cards.

However, with a more robust VRM design I don't think we would have seen so many failures. If you have six phases and one of them is a bit weak, the whole VRM can take much more load than if you had four with a weak phase.
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