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if cards safties features are enabled then no program should be able to kill a card outright

overclocked or not the safeties should prevent that from happening, if they die with this enabled then the cards should be considered faulty
Overclocking may void the warranty. There is no guaranteed safe overclocking unless the manufacturer states that overclocking is safe and guaranteed.

If I connect my PSU to 1000V (overvolting) and my PSU explodes and burns, is it due to faulty PSU safety?
No, of course not.
PSU is not designed for 1000V. It is my fault, not PSU fault.
     
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maybe we should thank reckless gamers who blow their cards while playing crysis or benchmarkers running 3dmark/heaven too. there a quite few of them in this thread. the idea is to share the experience here. mine blew while running furmark so i had to see what the non reference card can do. otherwise my argument that cards with extra VRMs doesnt have the same problem wouldnt be fair.
I hope you dont seriously believe that playing crysis and running game benchmarks is as risky as Furmark. You ran Furmark to test if you new video card would "live or die". Pass = card lives. Fail = card dies
I am glad that the card lived but these kinds of tests are unnecessary and dangerous and will lead to more safety systems and restrictions from Nvidia in the future.

I could throw my computer out my window to find out if it lives or dies, but for what benefit? If my friend threw his computer out his window and it survived, should I do the same test, to find out, which computer is better?

I believe people who kill their GTX 570's while playing games are on overvolted/overclocked gpu's, or poor cooling, or were previously running gpu stress tests, or card died for other reason (not due to VRM's), or they simply lie about what happened.
     
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post #573 of 1259
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I hope you dont seriously believe that playing crysis and running game benchmarks is as risky as Furmark. You ran Furmark to test if you new video card would "live or die". Pass = card lives. Fail = card dies
I am glad that the card lived but these kinds of tests are unnecessary and dangerous and will lead to more safety systems and restrictions from Nvidia in the future.

I could throw my computer out my window to find out if it lives or dies, but for what benefit? If my friend threw his computer out his window and it survived, should I do the same test, to find out, which computer is better?

I believe people who kill their GTX 570's while playing games are on overvolted/overclocked gpu's, or poor cooling, or were previously running gpu stress tests, or card died for other reason (not due to VRM's), or they simply lie about what happened.
my card blew up on stock voltage at 65-66 degrees. problem is, lots of people look at official reviews where stress tests are primarily used to to see how much heat is generated by the card (especially when overclocked). clearly nvidia sends their reference cards to these sites for review knowing that they will use these stress tests and push the cards to limits. based on these reviews people make a purchase. its not like you take a car to a test drive and decide. you are not allow to test the card so you have to rely on reviews. so it is only fair to share experience to find out if nvidia has a problem with a specific reference design. also my gigabyte 570 windforce 3x clearly mentioned "up to 30% overclock" while MSI co-develops kombustor (based on furmark) with guru3d and bundles it with their graphic cards. which means owners of these cards are encouraged to overclock their cards. i agree, stress testing is not a good thing. but then again nvidia or gigabyte should clearly put a warning on their products which says "do not run furmark or similar stress testing" or they should not allow overvolting at all (like they did with gtx275) to prevent these issues.

also if your PSU is marked as 1000 watts then you have all the rights to run it at 1000wats 24/7. if it blows its the manufacturers fault. they should have had an overload protection.

and yes you are right. some manufacturers will not accept overclock under warranty. so its worth checking them before you make a purchase and overclock it.
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Also MSI has already replaced their high end AMD Twin Frozr II cards with new Twin Frozr III coolers. They are now updating their 5xx series nvidia range (will be sold as lightning series). First model is the 580 and they have added an extra 2 VRMs quitely on top of the already strong 580 design. Which makes me believe that their 570 version might have a VRM upgrade too. so watch the new 570 from MSI when it comes out.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=268825
Unfortunately, there will not be a GTX 570 Lightning. MSI has been releasing these versions for a while and they only do it with the top single GPU from each series (275 Lightning, 5870 lightning, 480 Lightning, 580 Lightning, 6970 Lightning). I don't know why they did a 275 instead of the 285, but their 275 is the one with all of the records.
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Originally Posted by whipgeez View Post
if cards safties features are enabled then no program should be able to kill a card outright

overclocked or not the safeties should prevent that from happening, if they die with this enabled then the cards should be considered faulty
^ this 100%
    
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hey bassplayer and all you guys, quick question: overclocking the card is fine but disabling OCP and OVP ruins the card?

I dont want a 570 or even a 580, just trying to clarify.

I will most likely get another 470.
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Overclocking may void the warranty. There is no guaranteed safe overclocking unless the manufacturer states that overclocking is safe and guaranteed.

If I connect my PSU to 1000V (overvolting) and my PSU explodes and burns, is it due to faulty PSU safety?
No, of course not.
PSU is not designed for 1000V. It is my fault, not PSU fault.
no this would be considered faulty PSU period
    
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hey bassplayer and all you guys, quick question: overclocking the card is fine but disabling OCP and OVP ruins the card?

I dont want a 570 or even a 580, just trying to clarify.

I will most likely get another 470.
Overclocking is fine as long as you keep the voltage below ~1.1V. Disabling OCP/OVP is a nono.
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Overclocking is fine as long as you keep the voltage below ~1.1V. Disabling OCP/OVP is a nono.
unless he gets an unlucky one like me where i was nowhere near that with limiters on
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my card blew up on stock voltage at 65-66 degrees.
....
also if your PSU is marked as 1000 watts then you have all the rights to run it at 1000wats 24/7. if it blows its the manufacturers fault. they should have had an overload protection.
I dont really want to turn this into a long argument, but please stop ommiting important facts.

You card blew at 65-66C on stock volts. The way you write, it sounds like it was at idle. You conventiently forgot to mention that you were running Furmark for only 3 minutes, when it blew. This is not a game of debate. This is real life and real people with real GTX 570's are reading this. Dont act like a lawyer who carefully manipulates information in order to "win".

Sorry if it seems like I am attacking you ... I really dont enjoy doing this. You seem like a nice person. But ....

I wrote "1000V", not "1000W" in my post. I was writing about overvolting the PSU, which is normally designed to accept up to ~240V 50/60Hz max. My point was that a component failing due to excessive voltage does not mean it's a faulty component. A component is "faulty" when it is operated within guaranteed parameters and fails. A safety system should not be an excuse to do anything you want and get your money back if you break it. Safety systems have limits.
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