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Originally Posted by th3illusiveman View Post
This thread is very dramatic. Probably a mix of a bad batch of Vrm's, some angry users and afew lies... out of the thousands of GTx570's out there and this thread including users from OTHER forums as well as OCN, 21 isn't a bad number at all. If you started a thread asking "have you killed your 580, 480, 5870 or any other card you would get the same amount of cards or possibly more. These things are not all made equal and some will perform worse than others.
It's cool, man. It doesn't mean that your card is bad and you're a sucker cause you've bought it. It just means that a big proportion of people got cards with weak VRMs, thats all.
(21 inside OCN is a lot. You can't find 21 guys, that had the same problem between them, with 580, 480, 470, 460, etc etc... If you could, there would be a thread, believe me. This is OCN, we know this s*** )

The thread was not meant to rant over 570's, just to get together the folks that had a problem and try to understand the scope of that problem. While also trying to advise people interested on the 570 on which ones would be less prone to have the same problem. That's all.

570's are great, I don't think anyone here was trying to say otherwise.
Edited by Ulver - 4/27/11 at 6:20pm
post #942 of 1259
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Originally Posted by th3illusiveman View Post
This thread is very dramatic. Probably a mix of a bad batch of Vrm's, some angry users and afew lies... out of the thousands of GTx570's out there and this thread including users from OTHER forums as well as OCN, 21 isn't a bad number at all. If you started a thread asking "have you killed your 580, 480, 5870 or any other card you would get the same amount of cards or possibly more. These things are not all made equal and some will perform worse than others.
The only dramatic thing in this thread is how protective some of you guys are concerning your hardware. Nobody is insulting your family members or anything. We're just trying to say: Wow, this card blew up. Hasnt happened to me before. Is there a link here? Is THAT so dramatic? In that case you must lead a pretty boring life

Anyhow, remember that coolhandluke41 is using water blocks to cool his... parts, so just be careful and you will surely be all right. You got a pretty conservative voltage there which is fine for you. Not so much for others with worse vids and a lust for more core.

And yes, I DID love the 570 a lot, but I have to admit that having a small fire (visible from 3-4 meters away) inside my pc changed something inside me. Lol. Chill out, let people talk and stay out if you cant handle the heat.
    
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It's called knowledge about electrical circuits, it's obvious the VRMs are far too close to their limits to really survive much OCing unless you get a decent GPU/decent batch of VRMs.



AMD fanboys who mostly seem to run Core i7s and nVidia cards.

Right.



Apparently that's actually a AMD Phenom i7 930 and HD570.



I've practically killed two Phenom IIs from too much voltage/a PSU blowing, that means it's black and white and every Phenom II owner has done the same thing or I'm lying.

Once again, you may not have an issue, great! Good for you! That's some nice luck you have there, but the fact is (And anyone looking at these cards with an ounce of electrical knowledge) that a fair chunk of them won't run fine when heavily OCed on the reference PCB.



It'll be simply due to batches, some of the VRMs can take a higher amount of current than others, some people obviously get ones that can't really provide the needed amount and others probably got lucky and got ones that let them OC.

I researched this issue extensively as I was considering buying a 570, there's a real issue and for OCers the HD6970 is (generally) a better choice, but the 570 is by no means a bad card and pretty much in every other market nVidia completely destroys AMD at the moment.
"It's called knowledge about electrical circuits, it's obvious the VRMs are far too close to their limits to really survive much OCing unless you get a decent GPU/decent batch of VRMs."

It's called "legend in your own mind" what makes you thing you know more then the actual people that designed this cards ?,no.. you don't have to be lucky to get decent GPU/decent batch of VRMs..you have to very unlucky to get the dude or two from the same sucky batch,have you ever consider geting a job @Nv or Evga and tell them what time it is ?..obviously you and few others here know more then them

"I've practically killed two Phenom IIs from too much voltage/a PSU blowing, that means it's black and white and every Phenom II owner has done the same thing or I'm lying.

Once again, you may not have an issue, great! Good for you! That's some nice luck you have there, but the fact is (And anyone looking at these cards with an ounce of electrical knowledge) that a fair chunk of them won't run fine when heavily OCed on the reference PCB."

dude..you don't have to have "an ounce of electrical knowledge" to know once you go past the limit ****t might happen,own Phenom II 940 and it runs just fine @3.7 (two years strait..nothing is blowing )
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It's called "legend in your own mind" what makes you thing you know more then the actual people that designed this cards ,no.. you don't have to be lucky to get decent GPU/decent batch of VRMs..you have to very unlucky to get the dude or two from the same sucky batch,have you ever consider geting a job @Nv or Evga and tell them what time it is..obviously you and few others here know more then them
What we have here is failure to communicate, Paul

You really think the guys at nvidia who made the standard pcb design put any stock in "VRM performance above-spec" over "VRM cost/quality"?

The problem is obviously the result of a performance/cost decision that someone made on nvidia, when designing the standard PCB.
Again, don't take it personally. It's not about you or even your card.
Just chill and let the people interested in the thread have their say on the matter.
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What we have here is failure to communicate, Paul

You really think the guys at nvidia who made the standard pcb design put any stock in "VRM performance above-spec" over "VRM cost/quality"?

The problem is obviously the result of a performance/cost decision that someone made on nvidia, when designing the standard PCB.
Again, don't take it personally. It's not about you or even your card.
Just chill and let the people interested in the thread have their say on the matter.
lol..that's about the size of it

I already stated in another thread "cheap S Vrms ,and who ever made the choice of installing them already knows it,if there was design issue i'm sure they will implement higher phase count
    
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Yeah, that's it. There is no design problem.
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The only dramatic thing in this thread is how protective some of you guys are concerning your hardware. Nobody is insulting your family members or anything. We're just trying to say: Wow, this card blew up. Hasnt happened to me before. Is there a link here? Is THAT so dramatic? In that case you must lead a pretty boring life

Anyhow, remember that coolhandluke41 is using water blocks to cool his... parts, so just be careful and you will surely be all right. You got a pretty conservative voltage there which is fine for you. Not so much for others with worse vids and a lust for more core.

And yes, I DID love the 570 a lot, but I have to admit that having a small fire (visible from 3-4 meters away) inside my pc changed something inside me. Lol. Chill out, let people talk and stay out if you cant handle the heat.
I'm not protective...dude quote it me and i responded
Dramatic/boring..? no .. entertaining yes
    
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What we have here is failure to communicate, Paul

You really think the guys at nvidia who made the standard pcb design put any stock in "VRM performance above-spec" over "VRM cost/quality"?

The problem is obviously the result of a performance/cost decision that someone made on nvidia, when designing the standard PCB.
Again, don't take it personally. It's not about you or even your card.
Just chill and let the people interested in the thread have their say on the matter.
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Hey fellas,
First post here, but long time lurker. I hang out mostly at OverclockersClub.

At any rate, I bought the reference MSI GTX 570 from Newegg, and the first card I got died at stock settings with the stock cooling within 20 minutes of playing StarCraft II.

The replacement card I got afterward, I immediately put on a full cover water block. It's been going strong at 1150mV (voltage unlocked), but most of the time I'm running it at 1050mV. I have it in SLI with a Palit GTX 570 Sonic Platinum I got for $187 shipped (from an OCC reviewer, it had a busted fan).

Single MSI GTX 570 (N570GTX-M2D12D5) Overclock settings (using a Koolance GTX 570/580 Full Cover Water block Max GPU Temp = 43C):
Core Voltage | Core Clock | Shader Clock | Memory Clock (in MSI Afterburner)
1150 | 1000 | 2000 | 2260 (BIOS flash)
1100 | 960 | 1920 | 2260
1050 | 920 | 1840 | 2260
1000 | 880 | 1760 | 2260
963 | 790 | 1600 | 2260
963 | 732 | 1464 | 1900 (Stock)

Dual MSI GTX 570 (N570GTX-M2D12D5 - using a Koolance GTX 570/580 Full Cover Water block Max GPU Temp = 52C) and Palit GTX 570 Sonic Platinum (using a hybrid universal MCW80 water block and the card's full cover heatsink and single fan at constant 40% Max GPU Temp = 55C) Overclock settings:
Core Voltage | Core Clock | Shader Clock | Memory Clock (in MSI Afterburner)
1150 | 950 | 1900 | 2260 (BIOS flash)
1100 | 920 | 1840 | 2260
1050 | 880 | 1760 | 2260
963 | 732 | 1464 | 1900 (Stock)

At any rate, unless one of my GTX 570 dies again, I'm blaming it on the bad batches.

User: El_Capitan
Core Voltage: Stock 963mV
Clocks: Stock 732MHz
OCP/Power limit disabled: No
Load Temperature: Unknown
VRM Cooling: Stock
What you were doing: Playing StarCraft II
Edited by El_Capitan - 4/28/11 at 11:56am
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Hey man, glad to see you here. Would you mind filling out the form from the first post?

Also, could you smell burning when your first card died?
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