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Yea, this would honestly be reasonable. Except they also want to charge you line fees, and speed fees, and who knows what else they'll come up with next.

They'd probably commit comercial suicide doing that though, as they realize only 1% of their customers use bandwidth anywhere near enough to equal their current billing rates (or the price per GB would explode anyway, and we're back to square 1).
Bell Aliant added a $2 charge last month to cover 'infrastructure costs'. It's not like they were losing money before; they were already charging a price that covered their expenses.
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Only if they own the backbone of the network. Otherwise i'm severely mistaken.
They pretty much own the backbone, after they purchased what remained of UUNet, and most of the interconnections, at least in Ontario. The only exception that I know of is in Huron county, where they have their own network (that is fiber optic), a few independent Bell system operations like in Dufferin county, and in some institutions like universities, that have their own network connections to the US. Most of the cable services will end up being affected, because they all end up on Bell's backbone, at least in long haul regions, and the decision allows Bell to levy their charges on those operators.

The issue is not so much the charges for overages - the the blatant lack of competition, and the fact that these huge companies can choose to put their fists into your wallet, no matter what. And it is not just Internet, but the fact that Rogers and Bell have both bought up most of the non-CBC broadcasters, and can control content all around. This is something more than a simple monopoly position - but they they control the entire pie, with the exception of a few minute crumbs.
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And I thought the FCC was bad.

You guys have my condolences. I hope you all get it sorted.

If I get bandwidth caps, I'll just quit using the internet. I'll go back to playing games by myself, and use my phone to talk to friends again.
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***? what the hell is wrong with that huh? my download speed *TOPS* is 776KBs, Just be happy that you have a fast enough connection.......

Mine tops out at 315KB/s
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And I thought the FCC was bad.

You guys have my condolences. I hope you all get it sorted.

If I get bandwidth caps, I'll just quit using the internet. I'll go back to playing games by myself, and use my phone to talk to friends again.
I would have to kiss steam good bye. Unless I could talk my work into providing internet for me.
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I sat and reflected on this for awhile, and came to the conclusion that this law isn't the problem, but the monopoly of the large ISPs is. The way we pay for internet needs to be restructured, but this isn't the way. This allows the big ISPs to charge ridiculous prices, which hurts the smaller competitive ISPs, which hurts the consumer.

I think the cost of the internet should be as such:

$10- slow connection- 1mbps
$20- medium connection- 10mbps
$30- fast connection- 30+mbps

$0.10-0.20 (10 to 20 cents) per GB downloaded.

This is absolutely reasonable. The students in my neighbourhood torrenting mad amounts of pr0nz, music, movies and shows get a slap on the wrist and the older people who don't download anything get cheap internet. The pricing for speed should stay tiered, and the amount you download per month should be charged at a reasonable rate.

For example, I download about 30-50GB of data per month by using Steam, downloading maps for games etc, and would want the fastest connection possible so I don't get lag in games. ISPs would be well within their right to charge $50-60 a month for that in my opinion.

For one of those houses with 6 separate people living in it downloading about 150GB per month, yes, their bill should be significantly higher, but not prohibitively so.

$1.80-2.00 per GB is outrageous. But charging per GB is not.
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The regulatory body is just a corporate shill. We're already just like America.
I think this goes to show you guys are actually worse off :O
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Won't this only work if every provider does it? The way i see it if there's one ISP who offers 250 GB at full speed for $50 a month or something, they stand to make as ass-tonne of money.
Yes, but given we have Bell/Rogers in the east and Shaw/Telus out west it's not hard for a few companies to force this on everyone. There is no real competition, just a few big guys forcing everyone else out of business and using their dominant position to rip people off with this UBB garbage.

Currently Telus is not charging overages. If they are smart they will leverage that to start pulling customers from shaw.

Unfortunately they really aren't that smart. Oh well, stick with them for as long as I can.
    
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Fair enough, But what I'm trying to say is. You should be lucky that you alraedy have fast enough speed's, While some people are stuck with slow bizzare speed's like I have
Oh it could be worse. But at this point we are going backwards,

Not only that but this is just more anti-competitive monopolistic BS that the government does NOTHING about.

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Originally Posted by dontpwnmebro View Post
no canadian here with these crappy plans is going to cut off their services in protest because that would mean no more internet. all ya'll gonna just go to 4chan and try to ddos your isps or make some online petition that has absolutely no effect irl whatsoever.
I already cut my shaw service.

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Here's a big question I have:

Is the metering based on packet/data type?

If not, then every web ad on every webpage you go to is costing you money. There has to be something under Canadian law preventing you from being forced to accept data you didn't request then being made to pay for it.
No, the CRTC spends their time making sure we have to listen to 35% Bieber, Nickelback, Celine Dion, etc... on the radio.

oh, and banning money for nothing. I mean, the song has been on the air for 25 years, but it offends people now!

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Originally Posted by Petey1013 View Post
Sweet, yeah there was an article in the Globe this morning about Clement looking into this. Hopefully our government actually does something right for once and squashes big telcos influence. I'm not holding my breath though.
Bell: we want caps
CRTC: Okay
Bell: WOOHOO $2.00/GB and 25GB cap
People: NO!
Government: People say, no. You can't do that bell.
Bell: Okay... $1.50/GB and 35GB cap.
Government: okay.
People: ***?

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Originally Posted by KittensMewMew View Post
I sat and reflected on this for awhile, and came to the conclusion that this law isn't the problem, but the monopoly of the large ISPs is. The way we pay for internet needs to be restructured, but this isn't the way. This allows the big ISPs to charge ridiculous prices, which hurts the smaller competitive ISPs, which hurts the consumer.

I think the cost of the internet should be as such:

$10- slow connection- 1mbps
$20- medium connection- 10mbps
$30- fast connection- 30+mbps

$0.10-0.20 (10 to 20 cents) per GB downloaded.

This is absolutely reasonable. The students in my neighbourhood torrenting mad amounts of pr0nz, music, movies and shows get a slap on the wrist and the older people who don't download anything get cheap internet. The pricing for speed should stay tiered, and the amount you download per month should be charged at a reasonable rate.

For example, I download about 30-50GB of data per month by using Steam, downloading maps for games etc, and would want the fastest connection possible so I don't get lag in games. ISPs would be well within their right to charge $50-60 a month for that in my opinion.

For one of those houses with 6 separate people living in it downloading about 150GB per month, yes, their bill should be significantly higher, but not prohibitively so.

$1.80-2.00 per GB is outrageous. But charging per GB is not.
You just said you doubled the 25GB cap using steam.

Oh but it's all the pronz.

How about all those horrible horrible people who want ot use netflix? Inconsiderate jerks, they should pay 6 dollars for an on demand movie provided by bell(overages)/rogers(overages)/shaw(overages).

oh and paying per GB is still BS at 5 cents per. They want to give me a 15Mbit connection then I should get a 15Mbit connection. If their network can't handle it then don't sell me it.
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Sweet, yeah there was an article in the Globe this morning about Clement looking into this. Hopefully our government actually does something right for once and squashes big telcos influence. I'm not holding my breath though.
With Clement "looking into it", lucky you're not holding your breath because you'd be long dead. Just like when he promised to look into the situation at US Steel and dropped that ball for what, four years?!

What we need in Canada is to scrap garbage like the Competition Act, and get real laws and legilslation, like Sherman Anti-Trust, and start fixing these things by breaking apart the syndicates that control the legislators.

And again, UBB is only the tip of the problem. The real problem is that our competitors have identified the Internet to be something of high priority and essential for their business and national interests. Like Korea, where they are scrapping their 100Mb/s Internet because it is "too slow", and are going to 1Gb/s that is a quarter the price, is not capped or throttled - backed up by a WiMax system, and not this "Rocket Stick" garbage, but the real thing.

We have no strategy, and we never had any strategy. While the rest of the world was thinking business or strategy, our Internet was some garbage run out of UBC, by some student who dished out addresses only if he felt like it. It was pathetic, just like Bell is pathetic for making the claim that they have "high speed" internet when their garbage is sub-par, and is very slow for uploads because they would rather invest in their caviar encrusted steak dinners at some fancy golf club than in their awful, obsolete equipment that isn't even competitive with places like Rwanda except in excessive price gouging.
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