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Explain with proof.
I don't know what ISP you're on but every one that I know off in Canada has unreasonable bandwidth caps. 60$ for 80gb is ridicilous.
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Caps aren't the same thing as metering. There is no metering in Canada, it's against the law, which is why the bill exists (to make it lawful).

"Regardless of the outcome of the CRTC review [the 60 day extension from March 1st], this ruling [the bill] will not be implemented" - Industry Minister Tony Clement

Text in square brackets was added by myself to provide context. Source is Sun News (QMI Agency).
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Caps aren't the same thing as metering. There is no metering in Canada, it's against the law, which is why the bill exists (to make it lawful).

"Regardless of the outcome of the CRTC review [the 60 day extension from March 1st], this ruling [the bill] will not be implemented" - Industry Minister Tony Clement

Text in square brackets was added by myself to provide context. Source is Sun News (QMI Agency).
So you think that once you hit the cap you can't use it anymore? Once you hit the cap, your internet is metered because you pay per GB. And as you can see, that's been around since 2006.

The only difference is that the CRTC wanted to force ALL isp's to do that. Not just Bell & Co who did it for more $$$.

I don't think you even know what this ruling was about.
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So you think that once you hit the cap you can't use it anymore? Once you hit the cap, your internet is metered because you pay per GB. And as you can see, that's been around since 2006.

The only difference is that the CRTC wanted to force ALL isp's to do that. Not just Bell & Co who did it for more $$$.

I don't think you even know what this ruling was about.
No, it's not the same. All you can eat restaurants are not the same as regular restaurants. With AYCE, you pay one flat rate and eat as much as you like, the cap being when the restaurant closes at night. Normal restaurants charge you for what you eat (metered). Eat nothing, pay nothing. Drink a coffee, pay a little. Eat all day long, pay hundreds of dollars.

What this bill will allow for is for ISP's to charge not only a flat rate, but then a specific amount of money based on how much bandwidth you use, right from 0gb. Right now, you need to go over some large arbitrary amount of GB before they charge you, usually 100GB or so.

Also, Shaw just introduced the $1/gb cap penalty, and afaik it's not even enforced, since I download anywhere from 25gb-75gb per day, every day, for years and years, including currently. I've never received a phone call from them about my behavior, and my bill is always around $35/month or so.
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forget all the money garage if this makes the transfer fast i say i am game but as currenlty i am on att dsl and i am full out sick of my isp dropping every 5 minutes for no reason and if i am goning to have to pay the advanced transfer garbage then they will fix this issue or they will be issuing refunds and the class action lawsuits will pile up
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No, it's not the same. All you can eat restaurants are not the same as regular restaurants. With AYCE, you pay one flat rate and eat as much as you like, the cap being when the restaurant closes at night. Normal restaurants charge you for what you eat (metered). Eat nothing, pay nothing. Drink a coffee, pay a little. Eat all day long, pay hundreds of dollars.

What this bill will allow for is for ISP's to charge not only a flat rate, but then a specific amount of money based on how much bandwidth you use, right from 0gb. Right now, you need to go over some large arbitrary amount of GB before they charge you, usually 100GB or so.

Also, Shaw just introduced the $1/gb cap penalty, and afaik it's not even enforced, since I download anywhere from 25gb-75gb per day, every day, for years and years, including currently. I've never received a phone call from them about my behavior, and my bill is always around $35/month or so.
/facepalm

You are just throwing words around, thinking that you know what you're talking about.

What Bell & Co are currently doing is: Have a fixed cost (no, not a "flat rate") with a cap. If you go over the cap, it is metered. And no, the cap is not some "large arbitrary amount". It is generally somewhere between 2-60GB, unless you pay 100+ for ~175-350GB.

And you still didn't get what this ruling was about. It's to lower the cap down to 25GB and after that to charge per GB. Not from 0 GB onwards

The way it used to be was that the large ISP's (Bell, Shaw etc) were able to charge users per GB after you hit their low caps (all of them are low in proportion to the respective speed). What this ruling did was to force all the smaller ISP's who lease the infrastructure from large ISP's who own the infrastructure to use the same business model as the large ISP's and stop offering "unlimited bandwidth" or extremely high caps that none of the large ISP's did. By doing that, there is no incentive to use a small ISP and destroys competition.

I'm starting to think you're just a troll.
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The way it used to be was that the large ISP's (Bell, Shaw etc) were able to charge users per GB after you hit their low caps (all of them are low in proportion to the respective speed). What this ruling did was to force all the smaller ISP's who lease the infrastructure from large ISP's who own the infrastructure to use the same business model as the large ISP's and stop offering "unlimited bandwidth" or extremely high caps that none of the large ISP's did. By doing that, there is no incentive to use a small ISP and destroys competition.
Actually - an ISP is free to cap whatever account, and charge whatever they want in metering. What the ruling allows is for the big duopolists to impose whatever cap they want on all other ISPs, and on all "traffic" that crosses their lines, and then to collect fees, while allowing all existing contracts to be arbitrarily broken, and extra charges levied. This did not just apply to "smaller ISPs" who "lease lines", but to any traffic that is carried on the lines of the Duopolists. So you think you'd be free and clear with a Cable connection - wrong - because of deep packet inspection that is employed by the duopolists, they know what you are doing and can count the GBs, and levy the charges if any of that traffic crossed their network.

The duopolists would also be allowed to double dip, because that GB that cost you $2, also costs whoever originated it $2 - that's $4 per GB.

And the goose is out of the bag, because none of this had anything to do with anti-piracy or torrents or downloading or pron, or anything like that - but a move to give Netflix the boot. However, levying this charge on NetFlix would contravene NAFTA because it is a "punative charge against trade" and is "anti-competitive", and the government can't distance themselves from this business decision because of the 30 cents per GB that they would be shovelling into their pockets in new revenue.

Other questions arise, like if someone sends you spam - should you be paying for it?
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We have the power, I can go a couple days without internet but can the ISPs go a coupe days without anyone using it? NOPE.
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Actually - an ISP is free to cap whatever account, and charge whatever they want in metering. What the ruling allows is for the big duopolists to impose whatever cap they want on all other ISPs, and on all "traffic" that crosses their lines, and then to collect fees, while allowing all existing contracts to be arbitrarily broken, and extra charges levied. This did not just apply to "smaller ISPs" who "lease lines", but to any traffic that is carried on the lines of the Duopolists. So you think you'd be free and clear with a Cable connection - wrong - because of deep packet inspection that is employed by the duopolists, they know what you are doing and can count the GBs, and levy the charges if any of that traffic crossed their network.
And why would duopolists allow others to carry traffic on their infrastructure? Thus it applies to those that lease it, how else could they get access to the infrastructure in the first place?

All I'm getting from the section above is that you basically confirmed what I said but specifically mentioning that it also applies to cable connections.
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No caps for me! I don't want to leave college...
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