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And why would duopolists allow others to carry traffic on their infrastructure? Thus it applies to those that lease it, how else could they get access to the infrastructure in the first place?

All I'm getting from the section above is that you basically confirmed what I said but specifically mentioning that it also applies to cable connections.
The duopolists were forced into carrying other traffic because the CRTC insisted on it. It was thought at the time that allowing a phone carrier to also have their own Internet service would be anti-competitive, since in most of the country, phone carriers (and cable operators) were given areas in which to operate their monopolies.

The leases are a scam, since in a free market, other operators that wanted to provide Internet service would be able to run their own cables (or fiber optics) to whatever customers. But the question came up about who owns the poles and the easements - things that were created when we had regulated monopolies. UTOS tosses that protection out the door.

Of course, if someone leases a line, they should be able to use it to the maximum - but the duopolists made the case to the CRTC based on their false claims that the independents were causing major network calamities because of unlimited downloads, and were littered with rampant P2P piracy operations. Of course, this was a premise filled with fail because these things were nothing, since the lines were leased anyways, and that P2P traffic and piracy is an insignificant fraction of total traffic. The fact stands that the duopolists did this to curb the incursion of "competition", not of small ISPs that provide specialist services, but to build walls to prevent entities like NetFlix from streaming video that would destroy the duopolists other business interests - namely the broadcasting and content that they now control in this country.

It applies to any connection, or any packet, that crosses the networks of any of the major ISPs. So maybe your end connection is Cable, but if the local cable operator makes any connection to one of the major backbones, or if someone wants a .CA address - this decision means that the ISPs have the right to add layers of charges to the cable operators. This decision would not apply if an ISP made no connection in Canada, like pulling their Internet ramp from the US, or from Satillite.

Of course, the problem isn't "pay per GB", or metering - but rather, that the CRTC has made provision for the major ISPs to open up all contracts and make changes, not only to their customers, but to other companies customers - and to collect an outrageous fee per GB that is far out of proportion with the true cost of a GB of data.

It is also a major problem when it comes to "progress", since nations that are hungry for business and development have already installed networks that are far superior to our dreck - and in some cases, they decided that those speeds are not good enough, and are scrapping them for even better technology. Meanwhile, Canada lumbers along with cruddy DSL that is one of the highest cost services for what is entirely obsolete and unsatisfactory technology.

There are other issues with the CRTC and their attempt to make an Internet policy - that they may not have any actual jurisdiction since the Internet is not Radio or Television. Other problems include issues like "throttling" (where ISPs fraudulently sell high-speed for services that are not high-speed at all), and "traffic shaping", both of which are open to abuse by the ISPs, because it would be easy for them to "prefer" certain sites for cash payola - while the sites that you and I want to use may not be "preferred" and will be slower because the speed has been throttled and shaped. I think we also should have concern over the practice of "deep packet inspection" - stuff that the major ISPs are doing not to fulfill some task of law enforcement, but to cultivate even more throttling and shaping to shut down their competitors, while "enhancing" their services.

I think the Government got the hint - that the CRTC is an old boys club of the clueless, who make their decisions bases on the words and payola of big business interests - and who see nothing wrong with encouraging an array of anti-competitive practices that victimize regular folk.
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glad that we were able to do something.
well at home with rogers we have 60 gb cap. we actually throttle our usage towards the end of the month so we dont pay for the overage.

and i love being at school.


also remember getting over 50mb/s when there was light usage on campus
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glad that we were able to do something.
well at home with rogers we have 60 gb cap. we actually throttle our usage towards the end of the month so we dont pay for the overage.

and i love being at school.

also remember getting over 50mb/s when there was light usage on campus
Yup... less usage now than earlier.



Epic upload lol!
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Whats strange is in Chrome I get significantly faster uploads (~50mbit/s) but slightly slower download (by like 5mbit) but maybe its just what server it random chooses. 4Web.ca gives me crap for results.
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And the goose is out of the bag, because none of this had anything to do with anti-piracy or torrents or downloading or pron, or anything like that - but a move to give Netflix the boot. However, levying this charge on NetFlix would contravene NAFTA because it is a "punative charge against trade" and is "anti-competitive", and the government can't distance themselves from this business decision because of the 30 cents per GB that they would be shovelling into their pockets in new revenue.
This is my thoughts also. Bell owns CTV and their Satellite TV. In rural areas satellite tv is the only option as the cost to string cable is too expensive. Here the basic satellite service costs $48.95/month. Bell's high speed internet is not available, without them spending money to upgrade our services, we do not qualify for bundled services. I therefore have to pay another $49.95 for a DSL internet service. Now being able to get my news, local weather, and sports feeds off the internet and with the introduction of Netflix.ca, some movie options, my satellite tv service is no longer required.
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All I gotta say is 25-100 GB Cap isn't unreasonable, not really...

Try working with my 5GB Cap & 1.5 MB/s download & 700 KB/s upload.
(You don't know the meaning of That Sucks remember dial up?)

Too many people get spoiled on internet usage, it was never free, never will be, and now it's going to cost more, but don't blame the corporations for having to pay millions for their IT & Administrative Staff yearly & many millions for Cable Installment Cost...

In fact, the only reason there isn't a lot of competition in this market is the cost to create the ISP & the cost for staff it, bottom line, the IT & Administration want a huge raise, and your going to pay for it!

I'm not saying this is correct, not even, but I am saying you gotta know YOUR SCREWED AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.... Burn all the buildings you want, it wont help!

Sadly enough, America is next, mark my words!
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All I gotta say is 25-100 GB Cap isn't unreasonable, not really...

Try working with my 5GB Cap & 1.5 MB/s download & 700 KB/s upload.
(You don't know the meaning of That Sucks remember dial up?)

Too many people get spoiled on internet usage, it was never free, never will be, and now it's going to cost more, but don't blame the corporations for having to pay millions for their IT & Administrative Staff yearly & many millions for Cable Installment Cost...

In fact, the only reason there isn't a lot of competition in this market is the cost to create the ISP & the cost for staff it, bottom line, the IT & Administration want a huge raise, and your going to pay for it!

I'm not saying this is correct, not even, but I am saying you gotta know YOUR SCREWED AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.... Burn all the buildings you want, it wont help!

Sadly enough, America is next, mark my words!
Yeah right... Bell is subcontracting everything to cheap labor. Don't blame this crap on the staff.
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All I gotta say is 25-100 GB Cap isn't unreasonable, not really...

Try working with my 5GB Cap & 1.5 MB/s download & 700 KB/s upload.
(You don't know the meaning of That Sucks remember dial up?)

Too many people get spoiled on internet usage, it was never free, never will be, and now it's going to cost more, but don't blame the corporations for having to pay millions for their IT & Administrative Staff yearly & many millions for Cable Installment Cost...

In fact, the only reason there isn't a lot of competition in this market is the cost to create the ISP & the cost for staff it, bottom line, the IT & Administration want a huge raise, and your going to pay for it!

I'm not saying this is correct, not even, but I am saying you gotta know YOUR SCREWED AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.... Burn all the buildings you want, it wont help!

Sadly enough, America is next, mark my words!
you think if the population take it Egyptian style on our government they will not force the corporation to lessen the cost? you sound like O'leary a little .

if some Bell installations disappear in smoke or their shareholder like the cu** that got pwned by burger on CBC ( that you see so powerful ) begin to get killed they would continue? messing with internet is the last thing you want to do to a population nowadays cause there is some f**k** up s**t in it .
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I'll just cancel my internet service if they do this. I'm on fiber optics and it's very easy for me to go through 25GB of ANYTHING on the net.
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All I gotta say is 25-100 GB Cap isn't unreasonable, not really...

Try working with my 5GB Cap & 1.5 MB/s download & 700 KB/s upload.
(You don't know the meaning of That Sucks remember dial up?)

Too many people get spoiled on internet usage, it was never free, never will be, and now it's going to cost more, but don't blame the corporations for having to pay millions for their IT & Administrative Staff yearly & many millions for Cable Installment Cost...

In fact, the only reason there isn't a lot of competition in this market is the cost to create the ISP & the cost for staff it, bottom line, the IT & Administration want a huge raise, and your going to pay for it!

I'm not saying this is correct, not even, but I am saying you gotta know YOUR SCREWED AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.... Burn all the buildings you want, it wont help!

Sadly enough, America is next, mark my words!
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