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Hey guys, Do any of you know, does this affect the piece of hardware attached to the motherboard? Or just the Motherboard's port?

I have 3 ssd's so im a bit worried if the issue can cause damage to the attached device (such as my SSD's )

Theres really been nothing stated to what the issue is.

So the question: Can it affect my SSD's, so that if i put it into another Motherboard the SSD itself is messed up? or is it just the motherboard that will get damaged and the ports will stop to work?
Just the Port i think.
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Hey guys, Do any of you know, does this affect the piece of hardware attached to the motherboard? Or just the Motherboard's port?

I have 3 ssd's so im a bit worried if the issue can cause damage to the attached device (such as my SSD's )

Theres really been nothing stated to what the issue is.

So the question: Can it affect my SSD's, so that if i put it into another Motherboard the SSD itself is messed up? or is it just the motherboard that will get damaged and the ports will stop to work?
Good question. Also, does that "error" wear SSD/HDD out or gives only errors? I use my drives for storage, nothing else. Can anyone elaborate?
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Hey guys, Do any of you know, does this affect the piece of hardware attached to the motherboard? Or just the Motherboard's port?
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Good question. Also, does that "error" wear SSD/HDD out or gives only errors? I use my drives for storage, nothing else. Can anyone elaborate?
Read here.

Basically the clocking in the P67's 3Gb/s controller will become unstable over time leading to connection errors. I don't think there's any way it could possibly damage external hardware.

There may be some additional wear due to the controller having to retry the connection more often, but I bet you'll probably notice connection problems long before HDD/SDD wear is significant.
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so will the 85% of boards (NON affected) go back on sale soon
All the boards are being recalled. We'll probably see new boards available for sale sometime in March.


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All the boards are being recalled. We'll probably see new boards available for sale sometime in March.


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For this I doubt there is any way to tell which chip is affected specifically in each individual motherboard and its just easier and probably more cost effective to just recall all of them.

As for my own two cents all I have to say is Intel has failed me and my first reaction to this news was something like this then then
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Yeah it looks like only sata 2 ports are affected and that only ht ports will mess up not the Hardware attached whatsoever.

Maybe you might get corruption if you transfer somethign and the port fails then, but chances are slim of that happening and it's not really damaging your Hard drive, just the data that was sent. (My data is not that important comparing to many others. I have mostly gaming stuff as my documents are in a cloud)
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Not actually a recall if I read it correctly, and not as big a problem as some would make out. Not everyone would encounter it. That's my understanding anyway.

It will affect profits though as misunderstandings fly about.

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Cougar Point (Intel’s 6-series chipsets: H67/P67) has two sets of SATA ports: four that support 3Gbps operation, and two that support 6Gbps operation. Each set of ports requires its own PLL source.

The problem in the chipset was traced back to a transistor in the 3Gbps PLL clocking tree. The aforementioned transistor has a very thin gate oxide, which allows you to turn it on with a very low voltage. Unfortunately in this case Intel biased the transistor with too high of a voltage, resulting in higher than expected leakage current. Depending on the physical characteristics of the transistor the leakage current here can increase over time which can ultimately result in this failure on the 3Gbps ports. The fact that the 3Gbps and 6Gbps circuits have their own independent clocking trees is what ensures that this problem is limited to only ports 2 - 5 off the controller.

You can coax the problem out earlier by testing the PCH at increased voltage and temperature levels. By increasing one or both of these values you can simulate load over time and that’s how the problem was initially discovered. Intel believes that any current issues users have with SATA performance/compatibility/reliability are likely unrelated to the hardware bug.

One fix for this type of a problem would be to scale down the voltage applied across the problematic transistor. In this case there’s a much simpler option. The source of the problem is actually not even a key part of the 6-series chipset design, it’s remnant of an earlier design that’s no longer needed. In our Sandy Bridge review I pointed out the fair amount of design reuse that was done in creating the 6-series chipset. The solution Intel has devised is to simply remove voltage to the transistor. The chip is functionally no different, but by permanently disabling the transistor the problem will never arise.

To make matters worse, the problem was inserted at the B-stepping of the 6-series chipsets. Earlier steppings (such as what we previewed last summer) didn’t have the problem. Unfortunately for Intel, only B-stepping chipsets shipped to customers. Since the fix involves cutting off voltage to a transistor it will be fixed with a new spin of metal and you’ll get a new associated stepping (presumably C-stepping?).
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However Intel was very careful to point out that this is not a full blown recall. If you have a desktop system with six SATA ports driven off of P67/H67 chipset, there’s a chance (at least 5%) that during normal use some of the 3Gbps ports will stop working over the course of 3 years. The longer you use the ports, the higher that percentage will be. If you fall into this category, chances are your motherboard manufacturer will set up some sort of an exchange where you get a fixed board. The motherboard manufacturer could simply desolder your 6-series chipset and replace it with a newer stepping if it wanted to be frugal.

Intel maintains that Sandy Bridge CPUs are not affected, and current users are highly unlikely to encounter the issue even under heavy loads. So far Intel has only been able to document the issue after running extended testing at high temperatures (in a thermal chamber) and voltages. My recommendation is to try to only use ports 0 & 1 (the 6Gbps ports) on your 6-series motherboard until you get a replacement in place.
From AnandTech's The Source of Intel's Cougar Point SATA Bug
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So basically there's a small chance that in a couple of years Sata II ports might fail. What a big deal. There are 4 working Sata 3 ports in mid and high-end boards and sata controllers (if it even comes to that) are dirt cheap.
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Investors didn't freak about this or I would've purchased a put on Intel. I thought it might've been a money making opportunity, but nope.
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So basically there's a small chance that in a couple of years Sata II ports might fail. What a big deal. There are 4 working Sata 3 ports in mid and high-end boards and sata controllers (if it even comes to that) are dirt cheap.
Yeah, but can you find a SATA controller that does 4 sata ports and fits into one PCIE slot? They're dirt cheap if you only want 2 SATAII ports, but what if I need 4 like the board has? But why buy something extra when I'm supposed to have something that already works? Besides an adapter card would take up a PCIE slot I'm already using for something else.
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