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Looks like jesusboots question has been answered. I'm sure you'll jump on the SB-E beta category of TC thumb.gif As for your 6xx series card, last I heard F@H wasn't optimized for those cards? Has anything changed on that front?

Well, no. That was however the point to why I said anything. What we know right now is that sb over sb-e there is a 30% ish difference, yet a drastic difference in ppd. So, its not valid for i7 1. I can understand that. Heres what I am getting at. Kepler 670/80 has literally double the cores + when comparex to fermi. Not currently optimized. When it is, if it ever does, do we not expect another drastic performance increase? At that point does kepler not have the same advantage over fermi, if not greater than sb-e does over sb?
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Well, no. That was however the point to why I said anything. What we know right now is that sb over sb-e there is a 30% ish difference, yet a drastic difference in ppd. So, its not valid for i7 1. I can understand that. Heres what I am getting at. Kepler 670/80 has literally double the cores + when comparex to fermi. Not currently optimized. When it is, if it ever does, do we not expect another drastic performance increase? At that point does kepler not have the same advantage over fermi, if not greater than sb-e does over sb?

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No, I dont fold 24/7 on the 3930s, nor do I want till this heat breaks.

I am just trying to understand how on one side of the coin its fair for competition, the other side its not.

I am trying to make sense of it is all.
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No, I dont fold 24/7 on the 3930s, nor do I want till this heat breaks.
I am just trying to understand how on one side of the coin its fair for competition, the other side its not.
I am trying to make sense of it is all.

Excellent point. I will ask BWG to weigh in.

That being said, if it were up to me we would have at least 4 more categories in the TC. Probably would be difficult to fill though.

From what I understand BWG and his minions are working on creating a beta category among other things (like a third division) which will bring about changes in the TC.
    
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No, I dont fold 24/7 on the 3930s, nor do I want till this heat breaks.
I am just trying to understand how on one side of the coin its fair for competition, the other side its not.
I am trying to make sense of it is all.

Excellent point. I will ask BWG to weigh in.

That being said, if it were up to me we would have at least 4 more categories in the TC. Probably would be difficult to fill though.

From what I understand BWG and his minions are working on creating a beta category among other things (like a third division) which will bring about changes in the TC.

 

I'm assuming you are referring to not allowing SB-e but allowing Kepler?  Well simply put, CPU PPD differences are pretty huge and would create an unfair advantage.  On the Kepler side of things though, until they optimize the Folding cores for them, the PPD difference isn't that big.

 

Do you want us to go and make a AMD VLIW5, VLIW4, and GCN categories as well?  Until there is a drastic difference in PPD between the two architectures, there won't be changes.

 

 

 

As for adding more categories, that just wouldn't make sense, it's already enough work tweaking the existing 6 categories when new hardware is released.  Since this is a "competition", it only makes sense that the member with the best combination of hardware and dedicated folding time does the best in a category.  We're not trying to push anyone away from the competition, but at the same time, we need to keep it open to people with the new hardware as well.

 

 

 

Simply put, Division 3 will be a reserve for folders that want to join the TC so that we can fill team vacancies faster and more efficiently with proven folders.  This will not only keep the number of "needed TC folders" down but also ensure we don't run in to problems when a team gets a new member and they quit after only a couple weeks because they didn't realize how difficult it can be to keep a machine running 20/7+.

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Well, no. That was however the point to why I said anything. What we know right now is that sb over sb-e there is a 30% ish difference, yet a drastic difference in ppd. So, its not valid for i7 1. I can understand that. Heres what I am getting at. Kepler 670/80 has literally double the cores + when comparex to fermi. Not currently optimized. When it is, if it ever does, do we not expect another drastic performance increase? At that point does kepler not have the same advantage over fermi, if not greater than sb-e does over sb?

If kepler starts smashing fermi, we'll talk about making an adjustment to the system, but for now it's not, and it's inferior by a very small margin. People have complained about optimizing AMD gpu's for a long time yet nothing has happened. I seriously doubt Stanford will change much to optimize kepler, but we'll see. 

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BWG is a minion TC Manager. Don't you get it?

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Jesusboots. Please go here and sign up: http://www.overclock.net/t/1276398/calling-all-hexacore-cpus-team-competition-needs-you
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Let me address the Hexacore thing now. Division III just has a beta category. I didn't see a reason to create 2 i7 categories in Division III because both i7 categories are folding bigadv. Every other fear you have is mute because it's not being put into Division I or Division II. We'll talk about fitting those chips in sometime later, but specifically the 3930 nor 3960 will never compete in the same category as an i7.

 

I will announce Division III soon and clear up how it works etc.

 

 

 

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Simply put, Division 3 will be a reserve for folders that want to join the TC so that we can fill team vacancies faster and more efficiently with proven folders.  This will not only keep the number of "needed TC folders" down but also ensure we don't run in to problems when a team gets a new member and they quit after only a couple weeks because they didn't realize how difficult it can be to keep a machine running 20/7+.

 

 

This ^ and the beta Hex is to see if we can even get 20 folders to begin talking about allowing those chips in. We will always open up discussions with Team Captains on big changes like this potential one first.


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