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    Get the PC running and wait for further notice
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    Send the board back to Newegg right away
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post #41 of 50
Use it until ASRock offers replacements.

I will. Not that I have a choice. Need to be animating every day. I can't wait a month for a new board.
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Use it until ASRock offers replacements.

I will. Not that I have a choice. Need to be animating every day. I can't wait a month for a new board.
animating what?
    
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Ok I put my 2 HDD in SATA III 0 and 1 and my dvd burner in Sata III M1
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Ok I put my 2 HDD in SATA III 0 and 1 and my dvd burner in Sata III M1
Watch out man , you just armed a nucular explosive



Youse will be sweet i think , only 3-4% of you will find yourself having issues with SB .
    
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I have ordered my new computer based around a sandy bridge build.It contains the i5 2500k and the P67 AsRock Extreme4 and I just heard what happened and the design flaw but I really want to get this PC up and running so as I wait for UPS to come any minute now I want to ask: what should I do?

---Quote---
Cougar Point (Intel’s 6-series chipsets: H67/P67) has two sets of SATA ports: four that support 3Gbps operation, and two that support 6Gbps operation. Each set of ports requires its own PLL source.

The problem in the chipset was traced back to a transistor in the 3Gbps PLL clocking tree. The aforementioned transistor has a very thin gate oxide, which allows you to turn it on with a very low voltage. Unfortunately in this case Intel biased the transistor with too high of a voltage, resulting in higher than expected leakage current. Depending on the physical characteristics of the transistor the leakage current here can increase over time which can ultimately result in this failure on the 3Gbps ports. The fact that the 3Gbps and 6Gbps circuits have their own independent clocking trees is what ensures that this problem is limited to only ports 2 - 5 off the controller.

You can coax the problem out earlier by testing the PCH at increased voltage and temperature levels. By increasing one or both of these values you can simulate load over time and that’s how the problem was initially discovered. Intel believes that any current issues users have with SATA performance/compatibility/reliability are likely unrelated to the hardware bug.

One fix for this type of a problem would be to scale down the voltage applied across the problematic transistor. In this case there’s a much simpler option. The source of the problem is actually not even a key part of the 6-series chipset design, it’s remnant of an earlier design that’s no longer needed. In our Sandy Bridge review I pointed out the fair amount of design reuse that was done in creating the 6-series chipset. The solution Intel has devised is to simply remove voltage to the transistor. The chip is functionally no different, but by permanently disabling the transistor the problem will never arise.

To make matters worse, the problem was inserted at the B-stepping of the 6-series chipsets. Earlier steppings (such as what we previewed last summer) didn’t have the problem. Unfortunately for Intel, only B-stepping chipsets shipped to customers. Since the fix involves cutting off voltage to a transistor it will be fixed with a new spin of metal and you’ll get a new associated stepping (presumably C-stepping?).
---End Quote---

---Quote---
However Intel was very careful to point out that this is not a full blown recall. If you have a desktop system with six SATA ports driven off of P67/H67 chipset, there’s a chance (at least 5%) that during normal use some of the 3Gbps ports will stop working over the course of 3 years. The longer you use the ports, the higher that percentage will be. If you fall into this category, chances are your motherboard manufacturer will set up some sort of an exchange where you get a fixed board. The motherboard manufacturer could simply desolder your 6-series chipset and replace it with a newer stepping if it wanted to be frugal.

Intel maintains that Sandy Bridge CPUs are not affected, and current users are highly unlikely to encounter the issue even under heavy loads. So far Intel has only been able to document the issue after running extended testing at high temperatures (in a thermal chamber) and voltages. My recommendation is to try to only use ports 0 & 1 (the 6Gbps ports) on your 6-series motherboard until you get a replacement in place.
---End Quote---
From AnandTech's The Source of Intel's Cougar Point SATA Bug (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4143/t...point-sata-bug)
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Cougar Point (Intel’s 6-series chipsets: H67/P67) has two sets of SATA ports: four that support 3Gbps operation, and two that support 6Gbps operation. Each set of ports requires its own PLL source.

The problem in the chipset was traced back to a transistor in the 3Gbps PLL clocking tree. The aforementioned transistor has a very thin gate oxide, which allows you to turn it on with a very low voltage. Unfortunately in this case Intel biased the transistor with too high of a voltage, resulting in higher than expected leakage current. Depending on the physical characteristics of the transistor the leakage current here can increase over time which can ultimately result in this failure on the 3Gbps ports. The fact that the 3Gbps and 6Gbps circuits have their own independent clocking trees is what ensures that this problem is limited to only ports 2 - 5 off the controller.

You can coax the problem out earlier by testing the PCH at increased voltage and temperature levels. By increasing one or both of these values you can simulate load over time and that’s how the problem was initially discovered. Intel believes that any current issues users have with SATA performance/compatibility/reliability are likely unrelated to the hardware bug.

One fix for this type of a problem would be to scale down the voltage applied across the problematic transistor. In this case there’s a much simpler option. The source of the problem is actually not even a key part of the 6-series chipset design, it’s remnant of an earlier design that’s no longer needed. In our Sandy Bridge review I pointed out the fair amount of design reuse that was done in creating the 6-series chipset. The solution Intel has devised is to simply remove voltage to the transistor. The chip is functionally no different, but by permanently disabling the transistor the problem will never arise.

To make matters worse, the problem was inserted at the B-stepping of the 6-series chipsets. Earlier steppings (such as what we previewed last summer) didn’t have the problem. Unfortunately for Intel, only B-stepping chipsets shipped to customers. Since the fix involves cutting off voltage to a transistor it will be fixed with a new spin of metal and you’ll get a new associated stepping (presumably C-stepping?).
---End Quote---

---Quote---
However Intel was very careful to point out that this is not a full blown recall. If you have a desktop system with six SATA ports driven off of P67/H67 chipset, there’s a chance (at least 5%) that during normal use some of the 3Gbps ports will stop working over the course of 3 years. The longer you use the ports, the higher that percentage will be. If you fall into this category, chances are your motherboard manufacturer will set up some sort of an exchange where you get a fixed board. The motherboard manufacturer could simply desolder your 6-series chipset and replace it with a newer stepping if it wanted to be frugal.

Intel maintains that Sandy Bridge CPUs are not affected, and current users are highly unlikely to encounter the issue even under heavy loads. So far Intel has only been able to document the issue after running extended testing at high temperatures (in a thermal chamber) and voltages. My recommendation is to try to only use ports 0 & 1 (the 6Gbps ports) on your 6-series motherboard until you get a replacement in place.
---End Quote---
From AnandTech's The Source of Intel's Cougar Point SATA Bug (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4143/t...point-sata-bug)
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animating what?
Just animating in general. I'm currently attending an animation school, so...
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watch out man , you just armed a nucular explosive
oh noes! Drop and roll! Drop and roll!
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Jesus whoever wrote that is a smart mother F******

Anand Lal Shimpi... The one and only. However most of what he wrote was a reiteration of his conversation with Intel.
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Well this is how I have mine setup before:

Marvell SATAIII 6GBPS Ports - Disabled

Intel SATAIII 6GBPS Ports
0 - empty
1 - empty

Intel SATAII 3GBPS Ports
2 - 750AAKS
3 - 750AAKS
4 - DVD-RW
5 - 6401ALS

I was going to leave the SATAIII ports alone but then I wanted to test it to see if it works. Then I connect my 6401ALS drive to Intel SATAIII 0. But I was going to save my Intel SATAIII ports for when SSD gets cheaper maybe in 2012 or 2013.

But I guess I will wait for Asus to straighten things out with Intel so I can get a proper replacement. But at this time this is my main PC I need it up and running to do homework for school. I am going to keep this PC for at least 4 years. I guess I'm the only person that keeps PC for 4 years here? I only upgrade every 4 years cause that's when I actually will see a good performance boost. Last PC built was January 2007, the PC before that one built is January 2003. So next upgrade is going to be 2015.

But for now I will keep running until my PC stops working or board partners have their program set up for us to exchange. So I'm wondering if we are going to have to pay out of pocket expenses to ship it back to the board company. Intel should pay for our shipping labels . They have enough money. Guess this is not going to be good for me because I will be using SATAII until my drives die or until it's not supported anymore.
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