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So my goal as of now is to school in Japan, but while im there I need a skill or two (or more) to be able to feed myself while im there.

So I thought of a few things and its obvious to me that I would like to stay within computer genre since they are definitely here to stay and it would be easier to market myself now and in the future.

Careers im interested in are as follows:

Computer Programming
Computer Networking
Graphic Design (even though I dont have any artistic talent)
Game Design ( I game often, though again, no artistic talent)
Computer Repair (not fond of the idea for certain reasons)
Electronics

Those are my general interests of which I have no real world experience or education.

Now you must be thinking, "yeah, good luck buddy" and honestly so am I but this is something I want to do lol.

So this is what im asking from OCN

Where should I start?

I read here and there that help desk/ support centers can be a decent start, but also, its a regulated area that doesnt really need real knowledge and is actually hard to get into because of the "bad economy".

With that idea out, I figured schooling full time would be a better use of my time, and maybe be tech support intern at the place of education. Which brings the next topic, I was contemplating going back to the community college (Tarrant County) I was attending and taking the appropriate classes there and transfer to something a little more well known, but the problem there is that most of the instructors are just waiting for retirement, teaching the same thing year after year and can (by the vibe most give off) dont really care for anything out of the norm. What I want is the actual knowledge, not just the grade.

How important is math for these area's of interest?

Loans, my mother is finally filing for taxes this year since the IRS is willing to claim everything she currently owns if she doesnt. Its kind of killed me as far as trying to go to school full time since I just cant afford it working part time as a gas clerk.

So my question is, now that the option is finally open to me, where would be a viable option to try and get a student loan? Im going to try Wells Fargo first just cause I bank with them but Im sure there are other options as well.

Also, for anyone that has taken any classes from them, how is the university of phoenix? I prefer actual classes to internet classes but as my work schedule is getting out of hand I have to consider internet courses as an option.

If theres anything I missing or questions I should look into please inform me, I appreciate any and ALL advice to begin reaching this goal.

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まだ日本語分かる?分からないと、難しいと思うよ。
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まだ日本語分かる?分からないと、難しいと思うよ。
I actually study japanese on the side as well as taken a few beginning college courses, but due to lack of personal funding I had to stop :/
    
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Careers im interested in are as follows:

Computer Programming
Computer Networking
Graphic Design (even though I dont have any artistic talent)
Game Design ( I game often, though again, no artistic talent)
Computer Repair (not fond of the idea for certain reasons)
Electronics

Thanks again, OCN
Most of these are completely different carrier paths. I would assume you enjoy coding to some degree since 3-4 of the listed require it in some form. Networking can be broke down even further.

It looks as if your in the DFW area, what state schools are there and what options do they have? There are other ways get get funding for school also. What kind of income are you looking for? Each one has different salary caps. What has been the career trend in the specific field? These are some key questions you should really be looking at also.
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Most of these are completely different carrier paths. I would assume you enjoy coding to some degree since 3-4 of the listed require it in some form. Networking can be broke down even further.

It looks as if your in the DFW area, what state schools are there and what options do they have? There are other ways get get funding for school also. What kind of income are you looking for? Each one has different salary caps. What has been the career trend in the specific field? These are some key questions you should really be looking at also.
Im not looking to make anything exponential, more so just being able to have a job and school at the same time.

Correct, Im in the DFW area, and there are a couple well known schools that I have in mind. UNT has an excellent Japanese language program and also at the end of the semester they take a trip to Japan to further the experience. I was heavily considering this.

Though im not sure what they have Computer wise, most schools have a computer science degree. There is also UTA, but from what I learned from an ex, its mainly a health care school for medical training, though I have nothing to prove this.

The main reason for networking would be because Cisco has been opening up a market in Japan, so I was hoping to be able to hop on that train and work under cisco while schooling. The possibility of that is very low, but I will still develop skills and still become marketable to other companies in the process ( or so I would believe )

I suppose another question would be how time consuming each career path is, as I would like to continue education as well.

Ive tried a couple grants, but both required some form of tax work, and since im only 20, I cant do anything of the sort with my own info. I havent spoke to my Father in almost a decade and my mother hasnt done here taxes til this year.

So Scholarships would be the last option wouldnt it?

Thanks again for all the help, it is very much appreciated

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This may sound weird but it's the truth..

Education takes a back seat to work experience when it comes to Cisco, and most tech jobs.. You can have a BS in Computer science with a CCNA and when going up against another job candidate with no degree, a CCNA + 5 years experience and loose out.

I'm not saying School won't help you out, I've been there, done that, I'm just telling you that if you want a well rounded view of technology then go to college. If you want to get employed in Networking get your CCENT and find a low level NOC jobs on a 3rd shift for a year or 2. With 2+ years and a CCNA you're right on track for a junior level network associate at any respectable company making a respectable wage.
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This may sound weird but it's the truth..

Education takes a back seat to work experience when it comes to Cisco, and most tech jobs.. You can have a BS in Computer science with a CCNA and when going up against another job candidate with no degree, a CCNA + 5 years experience and loose out.

I'm not saying School won't help you out, I've been there, done that, I'm just telling you that if you want a well rounded view of technology then go to college. If you want to get employed in Networking get your CCENT and find a low level NOC jobs on a 3rd shift for a year or 2. With 2+ years and a CCNA you're right on track for a junior level network associate at any respectable company making a respectable wage.
getting a ccent is easy and it will get your foot in the door which will then give you experience, and, you'll be halfway from a ccna. one could argue going to school for 4+ years will only slow you down
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getting a ccent is easy and it will get your foot in the door which will then give you experience, and, you'll be halfway from a ccna. one could argue going to school for 4+ years will only slow you down
What about those accelerated programs such as Devry? They have a campus in Irving I wouldnt mind driving to. They more than likely have programs that are 1-2 years long.

But like I said, this would only be to put food on the table, so its likely if I went the Networking route that I would cap off at CCNA level.

Are there good courses for the Cisco exams? I have a few study guides already, CCENT, CCNA (ICND1), and CCNA Voice. I prefer having courses for their structure and being able to ask questions for gray area's

Ive also already read the last years Comptia A+ Study Guide, but didnt take the test so im waiting for the revised version to study up on it again, though most of it I had already known, there were plenty of points besides computing that I had learned, mainly with how to communicate with someone thats not computer savvy

Also, its true that many servers run off of linux? So would it be wise to get some kind of study guide or course for that as well?

For the Networking route, what should my first few steps be? Im sure studying a book or going through simulations can only take you so far...


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You can get some Cisco devices for quite a cheap price on the secondhand market. I have bought a 3548 XL + 2600 router for ~ 30 bucks, although I did get a good deal. Cisco Packettracer would be the free alternative but it's...flaky, to say the least.
    
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Why would you cap off at the CCNA?

No amount of education or training can get you the job you want, you have to earn it. You either know how to do something or you don't. You can't fake it when you're employed. Unless you need a refresher in basic networking or hardware skip the Net+ and A+, it's nothing on a resume. If you want to put food on the table go after Microsoft and Cisco. It's night an day work, one you play with software and administer computers. The other you play with hardware and configure network policy and make **** work.

To do it right you need get your feet wet with real equipment, you have to touch it, smell it, an screw it up just to figure out why it reacted the way it does. Understand the syslog messages that get spit out. You can definitely learn stuff out of a book or on simulation software, But your better off starting off with a server/vmware/Win2008 and Win 7 images and going down the MCITP track nuts deep in the configuration and management then reading it out of a book. The same goes for Cisco, get yourself some real hardware based on what you can afford, hook it up, screw it up. That's how you gain experience.

They say success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.
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