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IMO, my perfect mouse for a palm grip would have to have these things:

1. Shape and size of a MX518 or close, for comfort.
2. Sensor of a Deathadder 1800 DPI (3G) version, or better, for accuracy and performance. This sensor is unmatched. Optical infrared is a must.
3. Dead center sensor positioning.
4. Balanced weight to the center, like the Steelseries Xai. Don't care about weight tuning system but if it's used, the weight has to be in the center.
5. I'd prefer the mouse to be light in weight, but not to the point of feeling cheap or toyish. Just balanced and sturdy feeling.
6. Solid and durable buttons and wheel of a nice size. 5 buttons in total.
7. High polling rate, 500-1000 Hz.
8. Braided durable cord.
9. On the fly sensitivity (DPI) adjustment. 3 different presets is good.
10. Nice mouse grip system and materials. The Steelseries Xai is amazing in this field.
11. Smooth and nice sized mouse feet. See Xai also.
12. Possibility of adjustments without the need of a driver.
Edited by Yor_ - 3/22/11 at 8:05pm
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post #122 of 1594
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Originally Posted by PureNick View Post

I will continue reading through here and directly quote-answer people who have questions about the Valor. If anyone has any further questions regarding the shell design, internal design, or anything else relating to the overall Valor project I will be happy to answer them.
Can you provide a picture of the bottom of the Valor? Does it look identical to this?

Its not a deal breaker to me if it is, I will probably buy a Valor anyways since Cooler Master seems to have face smashed the firmware of their spawn. A weight system is extremely stupid to me and I prefer a mouse without one (mice should be as light as possible IMO) but I understand you are trying to appeal to as many customers as possible.
post #123 of 1594
I agree I could do without a weight system too, since you can never get a balanced weight just by adding alot of weights to the back of the mouse
post #124 of 1594
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Originally Posted by Yor_ View Post
IMO, my perfect mouse for a palm grip would have to have these things:

1. Shape and size of a MX518 or close, for comfort.
2. Sensor of a Deathadder 1800 DPI (3G) version, or better, for accuracy and performance. This sensor is unmatched. Optical infrared is a must.
3. Dead center sensor positioning.
4. Balanced weight to the center, like the Steelseries Xai. Don't care about weight tuning system but if it's used, the weight has to be in the center.
5. I'd prefer the mouse to be light in weight, but not to the point of feeling cheap or toyish. Just balanced and sturdy feeling.
6. Solid and durable buttons and wheel of a nice size. 5 buttons in total.
7. High polling rate, 500-1000 Hz.
8. Braided durable cord.
9. On the fly sensitivity (DPI) adjustment. 3 different presets is good.
10. Nice mouse grip system and materials. The Steelseries Xai is amazing in this field.
11. Smooth and nice sized mouse feet. See Xai also.
12. Possibility of adjustments without the need of a driver.
Thank you very much for your feedback.

1). The size and shape of our Valor, side by side to the MX518 is very similar especially if you're talking about palm/finger contact.

2). The sensor which we are using within the Valor is the Avago ADNS-3090 which is essentially the sister product of the ADNS-S3888 which is found exclusively in the Razer Deathadder 3.5G. The ADNS-S3888 is Razers "fine tuned" version which was crafted in partnership directly with Avago hence it's exclusivity. We took a similar approach but used the public version instead.

3). As it stands right now, the sensor sits only 6mm from the actual center of the mouse. This is a really blurred subject in terms of facts vs fictional hysteria that causes rumors about certain mice. To sum up a VERY long pending speech about this, the specific location of the sensor on the bottom of the mouse only effects characteristics in movement for certain sensors. These sensors are usually ones which have negative/positive acceleration issues from the get go. I'm by no means saying that, be it sensor specific, having the sensor at the way tip of the top of the mouse will be perfectly fine but having it .5in +/- from the center usually does not effect performance. Again, all sensor specific as they all use different algorithms to perform their tasks. This is a subject that I have discussed and confirmed now many times with not only other manufacturing companies but Avago engineers as well. I was quite cloudy on this subject too until speaking with them.

4). Take the weights out of our mouse and you will have a complete 50/50 balance thanks to the way our internal board is designed.

5). The mouse has a good weight to it when the weights are removed. A similar user asked me how it was compared to the Deathadder and my response was that it was pretty much on par weight wise with the Deathadder (maybe slightly lighter).

6). 5 buttons in total for the Valor utilizing OMRON switches for high life expectancy. The construction of our shell is also quite unique as it is composed of 4 separate parts. Traditional mice use only 2 parts (a top and a bottom). This ensures a tighter fit and a more "solidified" feel.

7). 1000Hz polling rate.

8). 7ft braided cord.

9). 4 selectable resolutions with the Valor. 500/1000/2000/3500dpi.

10). The rubberized parts of the Valor is using a 4 coat system which ensures maximum durability and grip. By durability, I mean that even after extreme use you will not see any "rubber" fading off the shell. The side grips are composed of a high density synthetic that both feels smooth and comfortable and assists in combating sweat. It's also hypoallergenic.

11). The Valor will have 4 sets of feet equipped with our signature PerfectGlide teflon-blend mouse skates. The design of the skates are very similar to the picture you see above my post.

12). Are you speaking about tuning software?

Hope this helps and again, thank you very much for your feedback/input.
Edited by PureNick - 3/22/11 at 8:46pm
post #125 of 1594
Honestly I expected more from a mouse designed "for gamers". Four way mouse wheel? Adjustable weight tray? Two features no serious gamer will ever want or use. And whats with the 800 default dpi? Almost every "gamer" uses the lowest 400-500 dpi. I assume that was changed due to feedback, which is ironically from people who will be using a sensitivity too high to even appreciate the sensor. I could have lived with cutting my sensitivity in half but it's a bit of a hypocritical change on a "gaming mouse", especially when the best performance for this sensor is at a lower dpi.

I have no idea how it works getting a pre-made shell but if you got a simple shape similar to the 1.1, wmo or xai and put this sensor into it, competitive gamers would be all over it. The most important thing with competitive types is simplicity. Just look at how well the Zowie mice are being accepted even by people who have used their same mx518 or deathadder for years.

1.1/Xai shape
sensor who's malfunction speed is comparable with the deathadder
minimal positive/negative accel
no prediction
1000 hz default
completely centered sensor
matte finish with no glossy sides
braided cable

This would easily be one of the best gaming mice ever.
post #126 of 1594
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Honestly I expected more from a mouse designed "for gamers". Four way mouse wheel? Adjustable weight tray? Two features no serious gamer will ever want or use. And whats with the 800 default dpi? Almost every "gamer" uses the lowest 400-500 dpi. I assume that was changed due to feedback, which is ironically from people who will be using a sensitivity too high to even appreciate the sensor. I could have lived with cutting my sensitivity in half but it's a bit of a hypocritical change on a "gaming mouse", especially when the best performance for this sensor is at a lower dpi.

I have no idea how it works getting a pre-made shell but if you got a simple shape similar to the 1.1, wmo or xai and put this sensor into it, competitive gamers would be all over it. The most important thing with competitive types is simplicity. Just look at how well the Zowie mice are being accepted even by people who have used their same mx518 or deathadder for years.

1.1/Xai shape
sensor who's malfunction speed is comparable with the deathadder
minimal positive/negative accel
no prediction
1000 hz default
completely centered sensor
matte finish with no glossy sides
braided cable

This would easily be one of the best gaming mice ever.
It's funny to me how nobody can get it just right. Every mouse has some glaring issue when it's so obvious and easy to write down a list like this and theoretically frankenstein a mouse together from other mice. I should get into the gaming mouse business and just make that mouse.
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post #127 of 1594
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I have no clue why you guys want braided cables. All they do is fray and create unnecessary drag on cloth surfaces.

I mean, who wants their cables looking like this within a few months of lans?




Oh and Hi nick. Thanks for taking the time to answer questions.
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post
I have no clue why you guys want braided cables. All they do is fray and create unnecessary drag on cloth surfaces.

I mean, who wants their cables looking like this within a few months of lans?

snip..


Oh and Hi nick. Thanks for taking the time to answer questions.
And yet my DA 3.5g cord looks pretty much perfect even after 1+ years of abuse ( LAN's monthly )...
post #129 of 1594
I want braided cables too. There must be something wrong with your table if your cable start looking like that
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Originally Posted by rebecca black View Post
Honestly I expected more from a mouse designed "for gamers". Four way mouse wheel? Adjustable weight tray? Two features no serious gamer will ever want or use. And whats with the 800 default dpi? Almost every "gamer" uses the lowest 400-500 dpi. I assume that was changed due to feedback, which is ironically from people who will be using a sensitivity too high to even appreciate the sensor. I could have lived with cutting my sensitivity in half but it's a bit of a hypocritical change on a "gaming mouse", especially when the best performance for this sensor is at a lower dpi.

I have no idea how it works getting a pre-made shell but if you got a simple shape similar to the 1.1, wmo or xai and put this sensor into it, competitive gamers would be all over it. The most important thing with competitive types is simplicity. Just look at how well the Zowie mice are being accepted even by people who have used their same mx518 or deathadder for years.

1.1/Xai shape
sensor who's malfunction speed is comparable with the deathadder
minimal positive/negative accel
no prediction
1000 hz default
completely centered sensor
matte finish with no glossy sides
braided cable

This would easily be one of the best gaming mice ever.
Valid points, thank you. The low DPI suggestion from the community has already been addressed. Since we are working with a brand new sensor, the settings we originally were going to work with were suggested to us by Avago themselves. These were "safe" DPI levels that have been tested and proven to work without having any issues. We decided to test lower settings outside of the suggested perimeters and came up with a stable lock at 500/1000/2000/3500. These settings will both satisfy the "core" gamer (500dpi) as well as the casual gamer (1000 or 2000). Again, producing a stable working sensor at any DPI level is not as easy as just turning the dial and hoping for the best.

Per your suggestions, I see you're an avid enthusiast of "claw" grip mice. I think you will like what we're working on for our next model .
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