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post #1261 of 1594
Just an update, Puretrak hasn't responded back to me since the 17th, about my inquiry on shipping the mouse back. I'm returning this mouse, and sticking with my mx518 for now, if they would only get back to me!
post #1262 of 1594
After hearing all the responses I think I will cancel my order if I get a response at all. So nick if you read this can you cancel order #2732,really dont want to go through the hassle of sending items back to usa.
post #1263 of 1594
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Originally Posted by SeanPoe View Post
The shell has some issues.

For one, the red light from the sensor leaks through some of the cracks on the shell. It's not entirely obvious though unless you look for it specifically.

Secondly there was a bunch of manufacturing burs that i had to remove.

Like others have said, where the top shell meets the bottom of the mouse there's a pronounced lip that drags on the mousepad. It actually discolored my entire QcK+ by rubbing on it. You could probably sand this down to fix it.

Just like in the review video posted above, the left and right mouse buttons aren't even at the front. Only a visual flaw though, doesn't seem to effect anything. The plastic cover from the mouse wheel also has a pronounced gap where it meets the very front of the mouse.

In the video review above, you can see that the side rubber grips are peeling off already. That's no the case on mine though.
strange. ive used mine for at least 15 hours and there isnt any sign of use. the rubber stickers () on the sides seems to almost peel off but they are not. Ok, i can peel them off but only if i try with a screw driver (they used the same 3M glue of the feet)
the preinstalled perfect glide feet are GARBAGE. removed mine istantly after received mine. Installed 4 hyperglides 3.0 and now it glides like 3 times more than preinstalled, and they removed any wobble and dragging issue i had before.
Some reported to have plastic burs : i have nothing.
Maybe i'm just lucky.
I had the rmb was rubbing against the wheel holder, but after all the hours i played that very piece of plastic worn down and now it is not causing problem anymore because i created a gap
sensor is garbage at 1st, 3rd and 4th step, but at 2nd (1800dpi instead of 1000 :/) it tracks flawlessly.
The feel of the mouse is TRUE RUBBER, the best ive ever tried.
the shell is short and tall, i can rest my ring near the middle without pressing the rmb, so i have more room in order to rest the pinky. overall, the shell is much better than DA for me. the side buttons are bad placed: they are ok for webbing but for gaming they cant be used often (ex: crouching or walking) but they can be used to throw greanades or switch weapons.
the switches are better that the standard omron present in every mouse (7n? cant remember)
the wheel squeack if i scroll up, but its only the sound: in game with headphones i can hear nothing and the feel is the same as i scrol down: smooth.
the mmb doeas a 'clunk' sound instead of 'click' of microsft mice, its a bit harder to press, but not too hard.
the weight is lower than my 3.0 that is known as a very light mouse.
Lod is same as da, it took 3-4 hours to get used to it without drawing stupid circles... i have to lift it up more than 3.0, but now its fine
Rating: 7/10
they could have make it better... if they fix lod and dpi stupidities via firmware updates it will change to 8/10.
Does it beat my 3.0? Nope
Does it beat my DA? Yep
It does worth a try for sure.

Sorry for my bad english :/
Edited by Cek - 6/24/11 at 12:24pm
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post #1264 of 1594
I hate being negative, but here's a list of everything I've found that's wrong with this mouse:

Sensor:
  • 500 dpi is closer to 1000 dpi; 1000 dpi is closer to 1600 dpi; 2000 dpi seems correct; 3600 dpi unconfirmed.
  • All DPI settings seem to suffer from significant acceleration. 500 and 2000 are by far the worst, at least 30%+ acceleration.
  • Tons of skipping at high speeds on all DPI settings
  • All DPI settings seem to suffer from mismatched x/y movement (ie, when moving the mouse in a perfect diagonal it moves 1.25 horizontal pixels for each 1 vertical pixel (estimated)). (Needs confirmation, this is based on how it feels and what i visually see.)
  • Sensor position seems slightly off; When using what feels to be the most natural grip and moving the mouse in a straight line, the resulting line has a positive slope (ie, up and to the right rather than perfectly horizontal); This can be corrected by tilting the wrist to the left but this is an uncomfortable position (This will be different for everyone, it just depends on how you hold the mouse and position your wrist.)
  • Lift-off-distance is close to 3.6mm
  • The polling-rate is only showing up at slightly over 500 hz

Buttons:
  • Force to activate the left and right mouse buttons differs greatly; Left mouse feels correct; Right mouse is extremely difficult to press (about twice as much force as the right) and is tiring to hold down
  • The side-mouse buttons are slightly uneven where they meet. (extremely minor flaw)
  • Mouse-wheel can be difficult to press down without rotating the wheel one-click. The mouse-wheel is extremely difficult to press down if you have any leftward force on it. You MUST press it straight down (or with rightward force).
  • Mouse-wheel has pronounced side-to-side rocking motion.
  • If you squeeze the thumb area of the mouse it activates mouse-4 (minor flaw).

Shell:
  • There's manufacturing burs on the mouse that must be removed.
  • The sensor light leaks through some of the cracks on the mouse (minor flaw)
  • Where the top shell meets the bottom shell toward the back of the mouse there's a pronounced lip that drags on the mouse-pad.
  • All of the mouse skates are improperly applied. They are going over the top of the plastic borders that are supposed to house them. This causes rocking and significant friction and mouse-pad scratching.
  • Even after fixing the mouse skates the mouse still rocks side to side. This is very noticeable when you switch directions with the mouse and causes accuracy problems (you must first overcome the rocking motion before the mouse will change its direction of movement).
  • The rubber side-grips seem to be peeling off right out of the box (however, this is not the case on my mouse.)
  • The weight housing lid is extremely hard to remove.
  • The side mouse buttons seem to be positioned too much towards the rear such that you can't 'rock' your thumb back and fourth to activate both buttons from a natural gripping position (personal preference flaw)

Other:
  • The weight of the mouse is closer to 100grams (speculated based on peer reviews and comparing it to my mx518)
  • The weights are closer to 6.5grams each instead of 10 (this is actually better as far as i'm concerned)

As i said, this is just a list of what's wrong with the mouse at this time. There's plenty of positives about the mouse that aren't listed here. For example, the shape and texture of the mouse is the best i've ever felt. If they fix their firmware to match their originally released specs it should be the best sensor on the market. The other physical defects can probably be corrected with some modification, such as: removing the burs, sanding down the areas that drag on the mouse pad, using additional skates or completely different skates to fix the wobble issue, the left/right click is probably unfixable without completely changing the position of the switch (very difficult mod to do).
Edited by SeanPoe - 6/24/11 at 2:00pm
post #1265 of 1594
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyshak View Post
Mine arrived today. Just plugged it in. When I lift the mouse, the cursor keeps moving. Is this for real? Low LOD my ass, I think they send me a broken model. Great work Nick. All the way to GER for THIS.

I can literally lift the mouse about 7cm and the cursor still moves! I can turn the sensor to the ceiling and it's still moving. Are you ******* kidding me?

Direct Mouse Input tells me my Valor runs @ 500hz too. I thought it was supposed to run @ 1000hz. This would be hilarious if it wouldn't dawn on me that I was ripped off. Seriously. I've been giving PT more good faith than most of us here. And now THIS.

Update:

It gets better and better. Just fired up QL for 1min. Exactly one minute. I can't use this.

- 500 DPI has massive accel (feels like 2000)
- 1000 DPI is too fast too
- this POS SKIPS when doing just medicore fast movements and it does it ALL the time on ALL DPI settings

Jesus. I can just hope that mine got flashed with a pre-alphas firmware or something. It's THAT bad.

In ending: Plz note that I, who has been believing that PT did their best till today, feels like he got fooled. This is unacceptable. This will be the first time IN MY LIFE that I will return a mouse I bought. Because what I got was a joke.

@ Puretrak: If something like this can pass your so called QC then... idk...you should fire all of them. Every ******* one of them.

Good lord, I'm pissed.
Wait a sec... weren't you the one who stood up for puretrak all this time, while others was complaining about them?
post #1266 of 1594
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanPoe View Post
  • If you squeeze the thumb area of the mouse it activates mouse-4 (minor flaw).
it does click but does not activate the microswitch. SO STRANGE.

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  • The weight housing lid is extremely hard to remove.
once u removed it the first time, it isnt. i had to make force with a knife the first time.
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post #1267 of 1594
List of positives with the mouse.

Sensor:
  • Has the potential to be the best on the market if Puretrak fixes their firmware to match their original specs
  • Nice-centered position (may be slightly off depending on grip)
  • No prediction or angle-snapping

Buttons:
  • Amazing switches (best of any mouse, except for the mousewheel and broken right mouse button)
  • No annoying artificial clicking sounds added to any of the buttons
  • Mousewheel is very smooth

Shell:
  • Very nice rubber coating (best of any mouse)
  • Very nice rubber side grips (best of any mouse)
  • Perfect palm-grip shape (best of any mouse)
  • Recessed left/right mouse buttons

Other:
  • The cable is very thin and flexible, non-braided so it won't fray
  • Weight is exceptionable even at 102grams, much less than other mice
  • Weight system is better than most other mice

Short list of cons (differs from physical defects found in above post):
  • No optional software for rebinding keys
  • No way to turn the mousewheel light off
  • Removable weight system is not centered (Puretrak could have made multiple weight slots in different locations to center the weight system better)
  • Side mouse buttons could be moved forward slightly
  • It's slightly difficult to lift up based on the shape (no pronounced lip to grip on the right side of the mouse)
  • Mouse-wheel is a little bit too easy to scroll.

Edited by SeanPoe - 6/24/11 at 12:49pm
post #1268 of 1594
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Originally Posted by vietladin View Post
Just an update, Puretrak hasn't responded back to me since the 17th, about my inquiry on shipping the mouse back. I'm returning this mouse, and sticking with my mx518 for now, if they would only get back to me!
Really all you gotta do is ship it to one of the two return addresses which I posted a ways back. They will know who to refund by the number on the mouse.
post #1269 of 1594
I know this has nothing to do with the mouse but I never really liked the Talent either. It had numerous quality control issues as well like uneven surfaces, slight size, edge differences etc. I'm not surprised at all at what became of this mouse.
post #1270 of 1594
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Originally Posted by yashau View Post
I know this has nothing to do with the mouse but I never really liked the Talent either. It had numerous quality control issues as well like uneven surfaces, slight size, edge differences etc. I'm not surprised at all at what became of this mouse.
mine came exactly the same size of the older.

btw, i tested polling rate:

without any other mouse plugged:


with ime 3.0 plugged at 500 hz:



with ime 3.0 plugged at 1000hz:

WHAT DA ****???!!
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