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Originally Posted by the_beast;12247757 
Not in my experience. In fact I've yet to find one.

You usually have to set the BIOS to 'ignore all errors' on POST though.

Every PC I've ever built, which dates back to Apple ][ days, would cry without a Video Card.

Now running without a monitor, that's different.
    
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Originally Posted by the_beast;12247757 
Not in my experience. In fact I've yet to find one.

You usually have to set the BIOS to 'ignore all errors' on POST though.
ABIT AB9 Pro. Doesn't matter if you tell it to ignore all errors. Got a $10 ATI Rage XL 8MB to keep it happy.
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post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by ounderfla69;12242967 
Windows home server V1 is around ~$100/ It is really a great solution for data storage. It uses drive extender which basically eliminate the need for drive letters and allows you add different sized drives and will duplicate the files you want duplicated across multiple drives to save on space. It will also backup all of your PCs and if you need to recover the drive it takes around 30mins depending on the drive size. There are tons of plugins allowing much customizing to meet your needs most of which are free. I know Version 2, VAIL, is coming out I believe 2nd quarter this year but they have dropped drive extender and never put in a WMC server to support tv tuners. It does improve some streaming functions over Version 1 but there are 3rd party addins.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Plus WHS1 is based on Server 2003, which is much more stable and less full of crap than the new version Based on server 2008. With the video card you could always just down clock a lot? same with the cpu. Both are quite high power compared to what you need it to do. I purchased a prebuilt home server and it uses 10 W power even with me running procon for a bc2 server and adding a 2nd fan.
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by killabytes;12248001 
Every PC I've ever built, which dates back to Apple ][ days, would cry without a Video Card.

Now running without a monitor, that's different.

I'd have to agree with the_beast (in my experience).The Asus 650i I use doesn't have a problem booting without the gfx's card.And I've run server 08 and linux on the board.To the OP have a look at Amahi Home Server.With the greyhole app your enable you to set the amount of copies of your folders that you want to keep,just encase.Plus it will allow you to use all your hdd space.
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post #15 of 27
@OP

I'll list things in what would normally be reverse order, but you'll see why...

Operating System
If you want a server OS that simply offers file storage, I'd go with either FreeNAS or OpenFiler. Both support O.S.-based RAID, and their respective implementations are far superior to any RAID implementation offered by either Windows or the on-board ICHxR controller.

If you want a server O.S. that offers more than simple file storage, Amahi Home Server is an excellent choice, and being Linux-based offers all the power of Linux, including software RAID if you wish to configure it. Additionally, as mentioned above, it offers "Greyhole" which is the Linux equivalent of Windows Home Server's Drive Extender.

Controller:
Assuming you adopt one of the operating systems outlined above, you can simply attach the drives to the on-board ICHxR and use it as a "plain Jane" AHCI-enabled SATA controller. This would be the better option for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, parity-based RAID performance on these ICHxR controllers is woefully inadequate, and gets pasted by O.S.-level RAID implementations (except the Windows one, which is just as bad). Secondly, for a stable RAID 5 array, ICHxR needs drives which support TLER, otherwise it can end up dropping them out of the RAID set, which in turn will cause more problems.


Drives:
Western Digital's Caviar Green drives will no longer enable TLER, so you'll have to buy their much more expensive RAID Edition drives. The Samsung F4EG drives support TLER but it will not survive a power cycle, so it must be enabled on every reboot. Additionally, you MUST flash the Samsungs with the latest firmware - the risk of fatal data loss is too great. Hitachi's 7K2000 drives behave well in RAID but are 7200RPM - not necessary for storage drives. Seagate's Barracuda LP series I cannot speak for - perhaps someone here can give an insight?

So, to summarise, my advice to you is: a) choose an O.S. which supports software RAID or redundant storage pooling, then b) use the on-board ICHxR as a normal SATA controller and finally c) pick normal desktop-class drives and save yourself some cash.
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Originally Posted by parityboy;12250278 
Western Digital's Caviar Green drives will no longer enable TLER, so you'll have to buy their much more expensive RAID Edition drives.
False.
The whole concept of RAID was a redundancy scheme with cheap disks.
Not sure why everyone has forgotten this.
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Originally Posted by beers;12251522 
False.
The whole concept of RAID was a redundancy scheme with cheap disks.
Not sure why everyone has forgotten this.

Which part of my quote is false? Western Digital's Caviar Greens produced after a certain date (October 2009, I think) no longer enable TLER. This has been confirmed here and on [H]ardForum. The WDTLER tool no longer works on these drives.

Western Digital did that to "encourage" buyers to purchase their far more expensive RAID Edition drives. Western Digital will refuse to support you if you tell them that a failed desktop-class drive was in a RAID configuration, even a Caviar Black which has the same 5 year warranty as their RAID Edition drives. This has also been confirmed.

If anyone has forgotten the "concept of RAID", it would appear to be Western Digital. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.
Edited by parityboy - 2/4/11 at 1:10am
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post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by beers;12251522 
False.
The whole concept of RAID was a redundancy scheme with cheap disks.
Not sure why everyone has forgotten this.

False.

The whole concept of RAID was to allow better performance from inexpensive disks without requiring the massive financial outlay of buying sold state drives - RAID was 'invented' well before hard drives as we know them today were available and could give sufficient performance for use in the mainframe-type computers in use at the time. The 'inexpensive' in RAID doesn't mean 'cheap', and it never did. In fact the 'inexpensive' disks that RAID was conceived for use with cost many thousands of pounds. But that was small change compared with the hundreds of thousands of pounds the solid state alternatives cost at the time.

I'm not sure why anyone would preach something they obviously don't understand. RAID allows higher performance to be obtained from lower cost components. It doesn't mean any old cheap drive will do.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by the_beast;12258520 
It doesn't mean any old cheap drive will do.
Considering the baseline for RAID implementations has been around for nearly 20 years, not sure how you can make the argument that something such as TLER is a requirement for running RAID.

If you run into a situation where you actually need TLER, your drive is probably already in need of replacement and should be dropped from the array to begin with.
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Western Digital will refuse to support you if you tell them that a failed desktop-class drive was in a RAID configuration, even a Caviar Black which has the same 5 year warranty as their RAID Edition drives. This has also been confirmed.
They don't provide data recovery even if you have a single drive, not sure what your point is..
RMA the drive since it failed, RAID or not it would likely have a similar usage pattern.
Edited by beers - 2/4/11 at 8:35am
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I would just try booting without a graphics card, If it wont then i guess just leave that cheap card in its going to be idle most of the time anyway. Other than that it sounds good, you can remote desktop in once set up etc ("headless").
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