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You know, I hear that a lot, but I can't for the life of me imagine using a mouse on a bare glass table. My hand usually touches the mousing surface and that would cause a lot of drag.

My $0.02: if you need a good general-purpose mouse, then something like the MX518 is excellent. It's easily among the top 10 most popular mice of all time, and for good reasons. A hardcore gamer would probably find it lacking, but those are people who actually need 3500+ DPI and 12 buttons on a mouse.
its also one of the top 10 most uncomfortable mice of all time...
    
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Also, can anyone tell me what is the difference between optical LED and Laser?
There are a few mice that have issues with a certain optical sensor where you will get stuttering ot a period of unresponsivness if the mouse if lifted off the mat. Let me look up the exact sensor, but if I remember correctly it is the one in the R.A.T series. (notwithstanding that, my brother LOVES that mouse so YMMV)
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There are a few mice that have issues with a certain optical sensor where you will get stuttering ot a period of unresponsivness if the mouse if lifted off the mat. Let me look up the exact sensor, but if I remember correctly it is the one in the R.A.T series. (notwithstanding that, my brother LOVES that mouse so YMMV)
The RAT Mice all use the same Philips twin eye laser sensor.
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WOOF_-- DA 1800 dpi FTW 000---

I went from (all cs ingame)

A. 800x600 res 10.1 ingame 400dpi microsoft basic optical
TO
B. 800x600 res 1 ingame 450 dpi DA
and NOW
C. 1024x768 res 1.3 ingame 450 dpi DA

see?? Dpi doesn't count for squat.. 900 is ENOUGH for anything <FULLHD+


And btw, From clawing- I've gone to palming and now a combination of both So claw AND palm regardles of the gun xI

FYI - Play on a goli speed (that was at the 2.3ish sensi in b/w) and now the goli control alpha. All by razer - by no way a razer fan... The logitech G5 was fab. but nothing feels as right as a DA--

Snag the 1800dpi if u can find one-- or get the imperator.. fits like a glove.
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its also one of the top 10 most uncomfortable mice of all time...
That's subjective though. I doubt very much that it would sell as well as it does on so many sites/stores if people consistently found it uncomfortable.

I just have to say something when someone asks for a good general-purpose mouse, and people keep steering them back to the $50-$100 enthusiast products.
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by hokeyplyr48 View Post
classic but awesome...Logitech MX518

LED (aka optical) vs Laser:
http://www.ehow.com/facts_6331214_di...er-mouse_.html

optical is the old technology, whereas the Laser is newer, faster, more precise, etc.
the laser is also bugger.
but technically you right, but not exacly.

Mx518 - crappy prediction, without prediction it will be one of the best.

3.0 - ergonomic body for plams, with great optical sensor, cons is the crappy wheel and loose side buttons and bad feets.

DA - "newer & modren 3.0" - identical body for plams, newer and better sensor but the cons is the glossy on sides and high LoD and the thin feets.

XAI - "newer 1.1" - ergonomic for both hands - claw grip, got the best laser sensor on market, untouchable speed (for you to not get accel. problems) cons is the shape [2 buttons on both sides - annoying for your pinky finger) and also the program, but you dont need this since you've got the LCD which is very very usefull, claw grips find it comformable, plam doesn't, and the sensor is hate cloth surfaces and you will get alot, beacause cloth lowering the "control speed" of the A9500 by avago.

KINZU - dont! never! buy! it! its crap with cord - says it all.

1.1 - "older Xai" - the same sensor in 3.0, identical to the shape of Xai - claw grip.

IKARI laser - one of the best comfortable mouse in the market [if not the one] ,but the sensor can give you negative accel. if you can reach above 1.55M/s movement speed.

IKARI OPTICAL - the shape shape here too - one of the best, but got prediction / drift control / angle snapping set high and you cannot remove it, but have more "perfect control" and you cannot get with it any kind of accel.

some usefull tips:
- if you go with DA - ONLY THE BLACK VERSION! or the regular with STEELSERIES GRIP.
- DONT EVER THINKS ABOUT THE KINZU.
- if you buy the 3.0/DA/1.1 - get new feets.
- if you think about the Xai - get ONLY HARD SURFACES.
*optimal - feet for Xai, beacause hard surface give teflon feets hard time and make them Wear out.

hope its helps, GOOD LUCK!
post #17 of 20
Razer Lachesis! Comfy, ambidextrous and awesomely sensitive
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I'll agree to disagree.

Laser tracking is much more advanced and tends to pick up everything between the mouse and the pad. That's good rite? Well, not really. Because it picks up everything, any fiber or dust that gets in between the sensor and the surface will cause the mouse to malfunction or loose control at a much earlier speed. And no offense, but the technology needs more work considering there isn't a laser sensor on this planet that can track as consistent as an optical.

Current generation laser sensors tend to have acceleration and z-axis issues. Older generation laser mice tend to malfunction at a much earlier speed compared to their optical competition.

DPI is the last thing you should base your decisions off of.

Body shape, grip, playing style, sensor quality/performance are the important factors.
This!

My Lachesis is laser, it picked up dust, dirt, pieces of hair. I had to constantly keep my mouse pad clean of dust and anything else. But I eventually sold it because it didn't fit my play style too well and a little too big for my hands.

But I agree, don't choose DPI as your main factor of the mouse. Choose ergonomics, play style, and sensors over the DPI. DPI doesn't matter, most people will buy a 1600-5600 DPI mouse but what do they do? They run it at 800 DPI !

IMO, still the best sensor Razer Diamondback Original Avago ADNS-A3070/A3080 Optical LED. This one gave me the most consistent aiming after I mastered 1600 DPI but I play in the 1600-2000 DPI range and it took me 6 months to get really good with that mouse but that was many years ago. I don't think they make the optical led anymore. After my mouses all broke or died they came out with Copperhead and DeathAdder. I liked DA's ergonomic design, the IR Led not so much. It just didn't feel the same or as good as optical LED movement. The closest I could get to the feel of the older Diamondbacks is Copperhead. As for Philips Twin Eye sensor I don't like it, in fact I like it less than the Avago ADNS-S3668 IR LED. The only Razer device that is touted very good is the DeathAdder, why? Good ergonomic design and it happens *cough cough* happens to use the Avago sensor. Everything else is PTE sensor =/ after using Lachesis and Mamba with PTE sensor I came to the conclusion that these sensors suck LOL. That's just my opinion though, just a few days ago I hooked up my Copperhead with Avago ADNS-6018 and happen to do extremely well in BC2 getting shots off I couldn't do with my Mamba. Even the old DA IR LED Avago based sensor I did a lot better. But practically all Logitech use Avago sensors, but looks like I will have to find an alternative now because there is no more Avago sensors in a majority of Razer products.

But it is a sad sad way the direction Razer is going. No more Diamondbacks and no more Copperheads anymore, even all Diamondback 3G has been discontinued. Honestly I think this is the direction they will keep going, selling a name behind a product. Who needs 5600 DPI Philips Twin Eye on a Razer Naga that is used for MMO gaming? Almost every product feature is 5,600 DPI, the only time I actually used 5,600 DPI is when turning on the anti-air in Bad Company 2.

If you asked me OP, everything is pointing to the Avago sensor , I like DeathAdder, I like original Diamondback, I like Copperhead, so what do these all have in common? Avago sensor. If you read the Amazon reviews on the RAT mouse series they all use PTE, these people complain about the mouse's accuracy. It uses PTE sensor, the same sensor on Mamba, Lachesis, Orochi and many more. My advice, find one with an Avago sensor and go from there.
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post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by hokeyplyr48 View Post
classic but awesome...Logitech MX518

LED (aka optical) vs Laser:
http://www.ehow.com/facts_6331214_di...er-mouse_.html

optical is the old technology, whereas the Laser is newer, faster, more precise, etc.
omg, pretty much everything in that "article" is wrong
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I'm loving my G9x which I use at 4500Dpi.
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