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Originally Posted by XNine View Post
Can't believe people are still clamoring over this.

Look, you people can blame Geohot and his chronies for this, NOT Sony. If he wasn't such a greedy prick, you wouldn't be seeing this kind of reaction from Sony. Sony has every right to protect the people that use their Console OS as intended, from hackers, cheaters, and what have you.

Think about how many multiplayer games you play and how often cheaters ruin them without any system to combat them. You all cry cry cry about that, but the second someone actually steps in to eliminate the issue, you start calling out "tyranny."

Buncha nubscrubs.
1) Your opinion that Geohot is a "greedy prick" is just that; an opinion.
2) The point I've made bold in the quote is entirely moot. This has absolutely nothing to do with cheaters; people were cheating on the PS3 long before the PS3 had its pants pulled down.

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Then go preach to people who play on the Xbox 360, because Microsoft has been doing the same thing since the thing was made and has actually used it. I don't recall or know of a case where Sony has executed remote commands to a PS3 to kill it. Yet. M$ has millions done already.
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No - I see where you're coming from, but several points:
1)This is not the first time someone has done it. It's been in play for awhile now with the 360. So, for people to be "so willing to bend over" - it's hard to say that to PSN which is supposedly so much "lesser" and "unpopular" as compared to XBL that it is much less effective to say it towards PS3 users than 360 ones. Which I know you don't like to do.
Okay, what is up with these Xbox 360 comparisons?
The PS3 rootkit works by calling on the server for the code it's supposed to run as soon as it logs on.
But the Xbox 360 firmware has the checks built into the firmware, and flags the system as hacked even while it's offline. Then, when it logs on the Xbox live, the console tells the servers that's flagged as hacked, and the servers response is to ban.

Now unless I'm mistaken, those are two entirely separate things. If the Xbox 360 used remote code execution just like this PS3 rootkit, the PS3 rootkit would be just as easy to hack as the 360.
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Who cares about privacy invasion, you are doing something wrong and you will be punished, that's life.
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Who cares about privacy invasion, you are doing something wrong and you will be punished, that's life.
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Okay, what is up with these Xbox 360 comparisons?
The PS3 rootkit works by calling on the server for the code it's supposed to run as soon as it logs on.
But the Xbox 360 firmware has the checks built into the firmware, and flags the system as hacked even while it's offline. Then, when it logs on the Xbox live, the console tells the servers that's flagged as hacked, and the servers response is to ban.
Now unless I'm mistaken, those are two entirely separate things. If the Xbox 360 used remote code execution just like this PS3 rootkit, the PS3 rootkit would be just as easy to hack as the 360.
What you just described to me are exactly the same.
How is that not the same exact thing?

In simplicity - the 360 takes a bunch of logs and sends them to server. If there are flags in any of that, the server then responds by banning the console and locking out the content on the 360. In other words - the server responds by executing code remotely.
Which is EXACTLY what's being said about the PS3.
LOL

Did you even read the article either?

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For those who are curious about the new PS3 security, it seems Sony has implemented something in 3.56 I mentioned here a few weeks ago that is the same as Microsoft uses to detect and ban 360′s.

Mathieulh just posted about it on IRC.


People need to stop questioning everything I say like I'm just making things up.


And for those who were questioning me and my statements about the whole rootkit thing being OLD and that it's been in the PS3 for awhile needs to read:
http://www.jailbreakscene.com/2011/0...cher-says.html

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According to security researcher Chris Boyd at GFI Security, the news that Sony had some way to remotely execute codes on the PS3 is nothing new. He stated that since 2006, Sony has it as part of the PS3′s terms and conditions.

Boyd told El Reg, “It’s been known for a while that a networked PS3 will contact Sony servers at start up (whether it has an active PlayStation network account on it or not), which performs various tasks related to error logs, updates and other activities”.

So sick and tired of people. Just because you don't stay ontop of things doesnt mean that other people are spouting lies.
Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 2/4/11 at 11:28am
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post #135 of 146
I wonder how long it will be before someone hacks it to create a PS3 botnet.

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Who cares about privacy invasion, you are doing something wrong and you will be punished, that's life.
If you have nothing to hide, and trust that all information will be used legally, then give me your credit card numbers, a copy of your driver's license, bank account details and social security number. If you have done nothing wrong, there is no reason to not tell me, right?
Edited by willis888 - 2/4/11 at 12:34pm
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What you just described to me are exactly the same.
How is that not the same exact thing?

In simplicity - the 360 takes a bunch of logs and sends them to server. If there are flags in any of that, the server then responds by banning the console and locking out the content on the 360. In other words - the server responds by executing code remotely.
Which is EXACTLY what's being said about the PS3.
LOL

Did you even read the article either?





People need to stop questioning everything I say like I'm just making things up.


And for those who were questioning me and my statements about the whole rootkit thing being OLD and that it's been in the PS3 for awhile needs to read:
http://www.jailbreakscene.com/2011/0...cher-says.html




So sick and tired of people. Just because you don't stay ontop of things doesnt mean that other people are spouting lies.
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Can't believe people are still clamoring over this.

Look, you people can blame Geohot and his chronies for this, NOT Sony. If he wasn't such a greedy prick, you wouldn't be seeing this kind of reaction from Sony. Sony has every right to protect the people that use their Console OS as intended, from hackers, cheaters, and what have you.

Think about how many multiplayer games you play and how often cheaters ruin them without any system to combat them. You all cry cry cry about that, but the second someone actually steps in to eliminate the issue, you start calling out "tyranny."

Buncha nubscrubs.
I love you guys. It is like I am arguing in this thread, but without effort. I wished more people showed logical understanding like yourselves. Too bad intelligence is rare around here.
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I wonder how long it will be before someone hacks it to create a PS3 botnet.

If you have nothing to hide, and trust that all information will be used legally, then give me your credit card numbers, a copy of your driver's license, bank account details and social security number. If you have done nothing wrong, there is no reason to not tell me, right?
Wow yea dude totally, giving you my credit card information and social security is EXACTLY like the information Sony is collecting from their PS3 users. They're so horrible.



Your statement doesn't even make sense.

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If you have done nothing wrong, there is no reason to not tell me, right?
...Why would you need my credit card information to begin with? There's no reason for me to give it to you.
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1) Your opinion that Geohot is a "greedy prick" is just that; an opinion.
I would say the fact that he cracked it, and demanded that Sony give him a job or else he'd release the code qualifies him as a "greedy prick." So, no, it's not an opinion, it's pretty much a fact since he's the one who forced Sony's hand while trying to benefit from it.

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2) The point I've made bold in the quote is entirely moot. This has absolutely nothing to do with cheaters; people were cheating on the PS3 long before the PS3 had its pants pulled down.
Even if there were cheaters, it would have been much worse without Sony stepping in and re-securing the platform. They have people who abide by their terms and conditions to think about. They have a network full of credit cards and other information that they need to worry about. I'm sure "people who hack the OS to gain access to things that weren't originally intended" doesn't come out on the top of their priorities list.
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Lol, I just thought about this. I find it funny that if Sony's credit card database is hacked into, everyone ITT complaining about Sony "invading their privacy" would complain that Sony didn't take appropriate measures to stop the hackers. It doesn't even take something as serious as credit cards. If everyone's trophies were wiped by hackers the same outcome would arise. Of course, when its THEIR money or time confiscated by hackers, it's a serious problem that they want compensation for. Sony wants to defend their IP rights and prevent piracy to protect their profits? Pffft who cares?!
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Lol, I just thought about this. I find it funny that if Sony's credit card database is hacked into, everyone ITT complaining about Sony "invading their privacy" would complain that Sony didn't take appropriate measures to stop the hackers. It doesn't even take something as serious as credit cards. If everyone's trophies were wiped by hackers the same outcome would arise. Of course, when its THEIR money or time confiscated by hackers, it's a serious problem that they want compensation for. Sony wants to defend their IP rights and prevent piracy to protect their profits? Pffft who cares?!
STOP IT!! Too much common sense in your posts.
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