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Not this again.

I played with the idea of getting a PS3, playing some exclusives and getting to tinker with it. The less I can tinker with it, the less I care about investigating a PS3 in addition to my PC.
This ^^^
I believe several PC component manufacturers will be wanting to thank Sony for reminding me that PC's rule and it's not worth the hassle of getting a console.
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Simply don't install it then?

Annnd there you have it.
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Wrong, EULA's are overturned many a time by the court, the most the EULA can legally do is perma ban me off PSN, I paid for the console (No, I am not renting it.).
That's exactly what I mean. So everyone crying about how being banned from PSN is unfair and how they have the right to install whatever and still use Sony's network are wrong.

Do whatever you like, but break the EULA and you get banned. Simple as.
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Probably completely legal. Those insisting that their right to privacy is being violated are a joke. What more can you possibly have on your PS3 that you don't want Sony to know about other than illegal software?

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Wrong, EULA's are overturned many a time by the court, the most the EULA can legally do is perma ban me off PSN, I paid for the console (No, I am not renting it.).

As stated, if I hack my PS3 to have Linux on it or more file types supported, yes, Sony can legally ban me off PSN (I broke the EULA, so they can stop providing their service to me), but it doesn't mean its illegal and that they can come and take my PS3 away.
Correct: EULAs are at many times overturned in court, if, and only if, the terms are vague and/or conflict with other laws and rights. Also correct: You paid for the console. You are, however, only paying for a license to USE their software, under THEIR terms of agreement. In Sony's case, the PS3's EULA is not vague and does not violate any laws. Sony sure as hell has every right to confiscate your PS3 if you are disassembling their code.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 2/2/11 at 12:56pm
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Probably completely legal. Those insisting that their right to privacy is being violated are a joke. What more can you possibly have on your PS3 that you don't want Sony to know about other than illegal software?
That's not how privacy works....


Privacy is a right in some case and does not require justification. The individual wishes to remove privacy has the burden of proof in most cases.


I may or may not have illegal substances in my house. The police still do not have a right to search my home without probable cause. They cannot just remove my right. However, this does not apply here since you signed a EULA with Sony. Then again, one can argue if Sony is overstepping their bounds in searching through your files.
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That's not how privacy works....


Privacy is a right in some case and does not require justification. The individual wishes to remove privacy has the burden of proof in most cases.


I may or may not have illegal substances in my house. The police still do not have a right to search my home without probable cause. They cannot just remove my right. However, this does not apply here since you signed a EULA with Sony. Then again, one can argue if Sony is overstepping their bounds in searching through your files.
Yea, the software world is quite different from felonies such as possession of illegal drugs; tough to compare but I get your comparison. The whole difference is with software, you purchase the right to use the software according to its agreements; you don't necessarily have ownership to it to modify it as you please. I guess in a way, when you opt to live in a home, you are automatically agreeing to the universal (U.S.) law that authority has the right to search your home within probable cause.

Another viable comparison is renting a car. You can't just rent a car and paint it/take apart its engine/etc, pretty sure you sign to agree not to do so when you rent it. There's no LAW saying you can't modify a rented car, but you agree to the rental company's terms when you rent one. Obviously these companies have the right to establish such terms, as someone screwing around with their cars can cost them a whole lot of money just as someone modifying Sony's (or any developer's) software can hurt them. Speaking of rental cars, almost every rental dealer also places GPS devices in their cars and know exactly where you go, with no legal concern because you agree to it when you sign for a rental.
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I dont believe Sony included the rootkit in 3.56. I personally believe it's been there for a long time now.

Sony has said before that they do monitor PS3 usage and always have. Not just online PSN store stuff, but what you actually do with your PS3. The PS3 logs, for example, when you play a bluray movie or use Hulu or play music. It's been doing this for awhile now.

I'm sure they've always had some sort of "admin-controller" type remote access to execute commands for all PS3s for awhile.
I've had a PS3 since launch and have never, ever heard of Sony monitoring my use with it. I'm no slouch when it comes to tech news either. Got any proof?
 
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People will find any reason to complain.

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Yea, the software world is quite different from felonies such as possession of illegal drugs; tough to compare but I get your comparison. The whole difference is with software, you purchase the right to use the software according to its agreements; you don't necessarily have ownership to it to modify it as you please. Another viable comparison is renting a car. You can't just rent a car and paint it/take apart its engine/etc, pretty sure you sign to agree not to do so when you rent it. There's no LAW saying you can't modify a rented car, but you agree to the rental company's terms when you rent one. Obviously these companies have the right to establish such terms, as someone screwing around with their cars can cost them a whole lot of money just as someone modifying Sony's (or any developer's) software can hurt them. Speaking of rental cars, almost every rental dealer also places GPS devices in their cars and know exactly where you go, with no legal issues.
Prepare for the "but I didn't rent my ps3, I bought it!!!1one! And I can do anything to my car that I own!!1".
Edited by Zinxe - 2/2/11 at 1:27pm
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People will find any reason to complain.



Prepare for the "but I didn't rent my ps3, I bought it!!!1one! And I can do anything to my car that I own!!1".
And guns. Lots of guns! Love that one!
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And are you allowed to? What does the licensing agreement say when you bought the console? The EULA is a legally binding document after all!
Maybe in the U.K.

In civilized countries elected legislators determine the law. The EULA is as legally binding as an I.O.U. written in crayon.
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