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I've had a PS3 since launch and have never, ever heard of Sony monitoring my use with it. I'm no slouch when it comes to tech news either. Got any proof?
what does owning a PS3 since launch have anything to do with you keeping up on interviews, announcements, and programs about PS3?

Clearly you're first not even aware of PlayStation Rewards program which monitors your PS3 usage. Any new games you play gets registered toward your account. How can Sony do that without having the ability to monitor your system? To boot, they've mentioned how they're considering to count watching new movies such as Blurays to also count towards the reward program and other things like Hulu or Netflix usage. That also can't be done unless the system is using some sort of log - Sony doesn't have telepathic powers as far as I'm aware.

And if that's not enough, then they've been monitoring the systems even before PS Rewards was even created - they've mentioned it before I believe on several accounts when discussing PlayStation 3 usage. I don't have any links off hand, but how can Sony know estimations on how much PSN users actually play games as compared to movies (and not just movies off on the PSN store)? lol They have to be monitoring to actually be able to tell - incase you can't tell.
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Another viable comparison is renting a car. You can't just rent a car and paint it/take apart its engine/etc, pretty sure you sign to agree not to do so when you rent it. There's no LAW saying you can't modify a rented car, but you agree to the rental company's terms when you rent one. Obviously these companies have the right to establish such terms, as someone screwing around with their cars can cost them a whole lot of money just as someone modifying Sony's (or any developer's) software can hurt them. Speaking of rental cars, almost every rental dealer also places GPS devices in their cars and know exactly where you go, with no legal concern because you agree to it when you sign for a rental.
I agree with your theory... but I'm not renting a PS3 from sony!
I paid $500 to OWN it.

How would you feel if Microsoft said;

"You may buy and use this copy of Windows 7, however, you may not create or install any software that isnt created or explicitly approved by Microsoft. Just to make sure you don't, we'll monitor your computer"

I'd imagine most people wouldn't be too happy!
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I agree with your theory... but I'm not renting a PS3 from sony!
I paid $500 to OWN it.

How would you feel if Microsoft said;

"You may buy and use this copy of Windows 7, however, you may not create or install any software that isnt created or explicitly approved by Microsoft. Just to make sure you don't, we'll monitor your computer"

I'd imagine most people wouldn't be too happy!
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Are you trolling, or being serious? The whole point behind my "theory" is that you DON'T own the PS3 software. You spent "$500" for the hardware and to license the software, aka the right to use it accordingly under the software's terms. You can do WHATEVER you like with the hardware. Rip out the motherboard and Blu-Ray drive and slap it into your PC case; Sony doesn't care. You just can't touch their software.

Windows is a completely different scenario. Microsoft WANTS you to create software for it. Without that, Windows wouldn't be what it is. Windows is shared source software. Most of its source code is totally available for anyone to use (after some qualifications are proven) and redistribute either freely or commercially. PS3's software: IS NOT. It is closed source, illegal to decompile, reverse engineer, etc. Just as it is illegal for you to circumvent the serial key encryption Windows has, it is illegal for you to circumvent the PS3's software to allow custom applications to be installed. The two things you were trying to compare just don't go together. You're not just creating software for the PS3, you're circumventing its security that is there to prevent you from doing so. Actually, to make this even more clear, no developer can just make a PS3 game and sell it right away; they need to acquire approval from Sony. Basically Geohot developed a "game" and distributed it without Sony's approval. Microsoft LETS and WANTS you to create software for Windows and distribute it as you please. See the difference? So, back to the point: Sony has every right to monitor what you run on your PS3, just like Microsoft has the right to validate your Windows serial key. If you figure out a way to COMPLETELY remove the PS3's software and place your own, that may be a different situation and may be totally fine to do so long as you do not use PSN nor any other of PS3's software.
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I agree with your theory... but I'm not renting a PS3 from sony!
I paid $500 to OWN it.

How would you feel if Microsoft said;

"You may buy and use this copy of Windows 7, however, you may not create or install any software that isnt created or explicitly approved by Microsoft. Just to make sure you don't, we'll monitor your computer"

I'd imagine most people wouldn't be too happy!
Horrible analogy and Windows does have a form of monitoring and it has to do with recognizing whether your Windows is genuine or not.
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if you can jailbreak a phone. you can jail break a console, or do one better and use a PC instead of console.

It wont be long til it is approved in court, esp with sony continually pulling features from their systems.
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if you can jailbreak a phone. you can jail break a console, or do one better and use a PC instead of console.

It wont be long til it is approved in court, esp with sony continually pulling features from their systems.
I don't want to jump straight to arguing that, but I think that the phone jailbreaking scene isn't the same as console. (I think) Phone jailbreaking is only modifying the kernel and not the OS itself. There's a valid reason behind everything courts make exceptions for. They didn't just say "ahhh what the hell... make iPhone/phone jailbreaking legal." The methods of jailbreaking are probably not equivalent to the dissemination of a PS3's OS. If I'm wrong I'll eat my hat but that's where I think the difference is.
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Sony watch me game.
I get grumpy.
I turn off console.
Rant on the Interwebz.
gets bored.
Go back to playing THE GAME.
Thought that the game joke was fun, forgets about Sony spying on mah console.

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I can't imagine it will be difficult to bypass.
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Eh. I guess one could argue invasion of privacy, but go ahead Sony. I don't care if you were to check my console, I have not nothing to hide lol.
An attitude like this is a sure-fire way to lose ALL privacy.


I don't have anything to hide either, but I'll be damned if I allow things like this.
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Back to their old tricks I see. Sony loves Rootkits.
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By installing Linux on a PS3, you are again still violating their EULA by circumventing their software security, also in their EULA, also rightfully protecting their intellectual property.
And while I use Linux, am I going to be using PSN? No, that's all they can legally deny me if I circumvent the EULA.

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My goodness people, it's not like an actual person is searching through your PS3 one file at a time. Since you all love analogies, it's like a metal detector. If you have metal in your pockets, it will report that to the guard. Everything else in your pockets will remain unknown. The lesson here is, keep the metal out of your pockets. "OH BUT THEY'RE MY PANTS!"
It goes through your files, finds ones that look suspect and runs them off in a server somewhere, not only does this eat bandwidth up (Yeah, remember how many other countries other than America still have limits? I don't want Sony uploading a massive file off my PS3 because its suspect, I have many other uses for that wasted quota.), but while it may not be exactly the worst thing, if they just do this for this console generation and the next one, then with the PS5 they add in it can detect a bit more information, etc...It's one of those things that they could do slowly until they can look at any one of my files, even through my private network, while I doubt this would happen (Their goal is to stop me doing what I want with the hardware I bought), it's scary how much people are willing to let their privacy be invaded.
    
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