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Cut money on case an ram. Cheap non brand works just as well. An the case is really just a box. Dosent need to be brand name
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Wow thanks for all the tips, that's a big help.

Looks like going the DDR3 route saves some cash, good to know.
No problem good luck on the build!
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Alright final build for now! Comes to $550 after rebates Thanks again for the tips usm.

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STOP THIS BUILD.
you cannot use the 955 with that mobo. No 3+1 power phase should ever run anything above 95W non-overclocked despite any official ratings. The 955 is a 125W TDP processor. In fact many other major mobo manufacturers (such as Gigabyte & ASUS) rate their 3+1 for 95W only. Couple that with the fact that it's unheatsinked, and you may get some serious damage to the motherboard either in the short term or long term. It's not as apparent on a 4+1 on a good board brand, but with a 3+1 you are definitely playing it unsafe. Swap out the mobo, preferably spend more on it.

Your best choices are either to get a 4+1 motherboard MINIMUM (8+2 or similar preferably) or downgrade to the Athlon II x4 which is 95W. Note that with a 3+1 and 95W you would still be overclock-restricted, for safety reasons.

The cheapest reliable 4+1 motherboard you can get is the ASUS M4A78LT-M ($70 not counting shipping), and even that I'm not too particularly impressed with. A reliable mobo with 4+1 can run 125W processors but at stock and with the stock heatsink only; mosfet heatsinks may allow for additional moderate only overclocks.

The absolute best choice for that budget would be to get a board open box. The ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO is also 4+1 unheatsinked (so stock/stock heatsink only) but is less than $60 after shipping so fits your original budget. For the same price as that new ASUS M4A78LT-M, you can get the M4A79XTD EVO open box ($70 + shipping). This is a very reliable board for running 125W processors and will overclock it very well
Edited by xd_1771 - 2/2/11 at 4:45pm
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STOP THIS BUILD.
you cannot use the 955 with that mobo. No 3+1 power phase should ever run anything above 95W non-overclocked despite any official ratings. The 955 is a 125W TDP processor. In fact many other major mobo manufacturers (such as Gigabyte & ASUS) rate their 3+1 for 95W only. Couple that with the fact that it's unheatsinked, and you may get some serious damage to the motherboard either in the short term or long term. It's not as apparent on a 4+1 on a good board brand, but with a 3+1 you are definitely playing it unsafe. Swap out the mobo, preferably spend more on it.

Your best choices are either to get a 4+1 motherboard MINIMUM (8+2 or similar preferably) or downgrade to the Athlon II x4 which is 95W. Note that with a 3+1 and 95W you would still be overclock-restricted, for safety reasons.

The cheapest reliable 4+1 motherboard you can get is the ASUS M4A78LT-M ($70 not counting shipping), and even that I'm not too particularly impressed with. A reliable mobo with 4+1 can run 125W processors but at stock and with the stock heatsink only; mosfet heatsinks may allow for additional moderate only overclocks.

The absolute best choice for that budget would be to get a board open box. The ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO is also 4+1 unheatsinked (so stock/stock heatsink only) but is less than $60 after shipping so fits your original budget. For the same price as that new ASUS M4A78LT-M, you can get the M4A79XTD EVO open box ($70 + shipping). This is a very reliable board for running 125W processors and will overclock it very well
O_O

Glad you mentioned that, I'm pretty noob with AMD chipsets!
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Want me to post my horror stories of 125W processors (overclocked & stock) with weak power phases?
My list is long, and growing...
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Want me to post my horror stories of 125W processors (overclocked & stock) with weak power phases?
My list is long, and growing...
I wouldn't want to make you go through the horrible memories again...but then again part of me is still curious...don't suppose you have any pics of horribly charred mobos laying around O_O
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That last one there is a 3+1 power phase + x2 unlocked/overclocked blow up, at just 1.4V. Even with mosfet heatsinks on, having to push that 125-140W+ processor, the mosfet load temps reached in excess of 80C!
Comparison, my mosfets (8+2 power phase - or actually a 4+1 with split chokes/components) with an x6 1055T, 4Ghz, at a higher 1.472V, load at the same temp as my CPU: 55C. Why: 8+2, mosfet heatsink.
Edited by xd_1771 - 2/2/11 at 6:30pm
post #19 of 42
lol @ fire written in.

You should consider a $98 Athlon II, they're nearly the same as Phenoms except no L3. Some can have their L3 unlocked as they're Denebs with cache disabled.

Also I would personally go as cheap as possible on the "replaceable" parts and stick the money in the "carry over" parts, like the PSU.
    
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post #20 of 42
Consider a Phenom II x4 840 or what was it...
They're coming out soon
They cost only $100
They have no L2 cache, but can have L3 cache unlocked sometimes
I think the x4 840 is basically now a black edition Athlon II x4
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